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It's usually easy for me to attribute even a worn coin, but this one had me stumped. I think it looks Portuguese, but I'm not very confident, and Numista doesn't appear to find any matches (Portuguese or otherwise).   33 mm, 18.78 grams. In hand it looks like a little more detail is visible, but not enough for an ID, and I wasn't able (yet) to bring it out in the photo. [EDIT: fixed the title to mention my second guess, in case anyone interested in Conder tokens happens to recognize it.] Edited by january1may
06/04/2022 07:17 am
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It's not one I recognize straight away either. I'd also admit "Portugal or Brazil" wouldbe my instinctive leaning, but that coat of arms isn't Portuguese.
I suppose it's possible that it is originally a Portugese/Brazilianc coin, and the arms are a post-mint addition like a counterstamp.
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Hmm that's a tough one @j1m. Are you sure it is a coin and not a token though? With those birds perched on a castle in a shield on one side, this piece has some design elements similar to this Conder token: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces71037.htmlFor sure it isn't a match, but it made me start to wonder. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Are you sure it is a coin and not a token though? Conder tokens were actually my second guess after I couldn't find a match among Portuguese coins, but I couldn't find a token that would match those arms either (not on Numista anyway). This one in particular looks pretty far off, though it does look a bit like there's a lion under the castle on mine, so might be related? |
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This is not a brazilian coin. It also doesn't look Portuguese to me, but I'm not very familiar with all the colonial coins they made.
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Really tricky. It looks to be milled copper, which would mean it's somewhere from about the 1790s onwards. There seems to be lettering at the bottom of the first picture - I think I can see S, N, T, I, but then they disappear before my eyes.
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06/07/2022 06:36 am
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There seems to be lettering at the bottom of the first picture - I think I can see S, N, T, I, but then they disappear before my eyes. It's not very easy to see in hand too - my best guess is PENNY, which fits the Conder token option. There are other bits of possible lettering but even in hand I hadn't been able to get enough usable letters out of them for a Numista search. |
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I think the coa is of Carmarthen (Wales, UK)
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06/07/2022 1:48 pm
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06/07/2022 1:56 pm
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Nice work @andy! Here is what is said about this token on worthpont: Quote:
Copper penny token issued by William Moss of Carmarthen, also payable at Swansea and London and dated 1813. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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06/07/2022 1:58 pm
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Thanks @andy and @JohnConduitt! So it turns out what I have is a 1 penny token from Carmarthen (Wales), issued by William Griffiths & Co., dated 1812. By the looks of it, my example is medal alignment, which would make it Withers 1300 (whatever that means). You can see a mint state (British EF) example here; it hammered for £50 (well under estimate) in 2017. AFAIK this is my second Conder token, and IIRC my first to be identified (I also have one of the numerous Anglesey druid variants, but it's pretty worn and I never quite figured out which exact variant it is). I paid 100 rubles (under $2) so I think it's a neat find  |
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