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1844/81 Large Cent VF?

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So I came across this coin and it indeed is a 1844/81. I need help with grading and the value that people might pay for. I'm thinking this is a VF and I was thinking about no less than $200 and if I couldn't find a customer then I'm gonna hold on to the coin for eternity. I would appreciate it if could comment about the grade and the value of the coin. Thanks. btw I live in Dubai and beer is more expensive than my blood so that's why you think I'm greedy with the price tag.

1844/81-Large-Cent-VF?
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1844/81-Large-Cent-VF?
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This coin looks F Details- cleaned to me. Reverse is lacking the majority of detail that might push it to VF and the obverse isn't much better IMO. It's got a harsh cleaning so the value will take a hit with that. Not a very attractive example IMO and I think you'll get $40-$50 for it from the right collector. A nice variety though and always sought after.

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I disagree with your price tag and I think you're being too harsh with the grading. Your comment about the coin being cleaned is spot on and it definitely looks cleaned. Thank you for sharing your thought about the coin.
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I do think the grade offered by coinhunter lines up well with Fine according to PCGS Photograde. You should check that out.

The coin you presented is not just cleaned, it is harshly cleaned.

This coin sold for about $40....I think Coinhunter is again right with his assessment on price as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363851341675


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I looked at the auction result and the PCGS photograde. Coo hunter is right. I was wrong.
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Might make low VF sharpness, but a details coin in any event (cleaned).



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A question for coinhunter, why is it that APMEX is selling AU Morgans for $48 and cleaned AU Morgans for $46. I was really shocked to see that. I was expecting the cleaned ones to sell for a lot cheaper. Btw does anyone here know how I can directly reply to a comment.
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I thought we were talking about an 1844 cent? Please stick to one topic per thread - otherwise replies get confusing.
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The topic is about the 1844, but since coinhunter said that the value will take a big hit with the cleaning I thought I might mention examples of coins where that's not the case. I apologize.
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Agree with F details, cleaned. The severity of cleaning correlates with the impact on value. Morgan dollars are a different situation, because there is a floor on their value based on silver content. You had asked about grading in your other post, and this definitely would not be a good candidate for grading by a TPG.
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1844 over 1881 is impossible
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Learn something new everyday....What can I say, I need help just as well.
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"1844 over 1881 is impossible"
I don't understand this comment. Please help.
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The date was originally punched upside down, so the "81" is actually the first two digits of the date "18". While not probable, its not impossible when you think about how the dates were struck into the dies by hand.

This is why its called the 1844/81. Its not over an 1881 cent, just remnants of an upside down date.
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1844 over 1881 is impossible


what?

i agree with the cleaning and the coin I have at F15 details

PCGS shows a straight grade at $140 retail. the last one sold was for $120. the coin does not have the value to warrant slabbing imo, its a very specific coin that unless someone is looking for one may be a challenge to unload even if its slabbed and I dont think they would pay a premium for that. i'd say $40-60 range. if the cleaning was not this bad it could go for more. one similar to yours with about the same grade and cleaned recently sold for $40 on ebay
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A question for coinhunter, why is it that APMEX is selling AU Morgans for $48 and cleaned AU Morgans for $46. I was really shocked to see that. I was expecting the cleaned ones to sell for a lot cheaper.


I think Zurie explained it perfectly. The silver content in Morgan dollars keeps their price at a minimum. Even if they are a little damaged or cleaned, they still maintain their value at that price point because of their silver content.


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The severity of cleaning correlates with the impact on value. Morgan dollars are a different situation, because there is a floor on their value based on silver content.


Well said Zurie!

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