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1963-D RPM # 4 Or # 5. Will Post Pics And Hopefully Some Of You Can Verify?

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 Posted 07/08/2022  12:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add grospoisson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

1963-D-RPM-#-4-Or-#-5.-Will-Post-Pics-And-Hopefully-Some-Of-You-Can-Verify?
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1963-D-RPM-#-4-Or-#-5.-Will-Post-Pics-And-Hopefully-Some-Of-You-Can-Verify?

First thing is it an RPM? If so is it VV#4 or VV#5. I still have trouble . The mintmark placement seems to fit #4. Die markers have me
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I do not know which is which. So I am following for knowledge.

Thanks for sharing.

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looks like RPM-004 to me. http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20...3DRPM004.htm

position looks good and die crack on head looks to be a match.

on a nice looking coin too.
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I agree looks exactly like RPM 4 from VV. Use the link above to verify markers and dis states by matching some of the examples on VV
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Check the die markers on these listings:
http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20...3DRPM004.htm
To see which die stage/state your coin is. The listing is on the lower part of the page:

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Die Stage and Markers Chart
Die Stages and Markers: UVC-877 DMR-005

Stage A: Obverse and Reverse are EDS

Stage B: Obverse is MDS
Depression on column #12 - EMDS

Stage C: Light die crack on forehead - LMDS
Die chip on column #12 - LMDS

Stage D: Stronger die crack on forehead - LDS
Larger die chip on column #12 - LDS

Stage E: Die chip in hair - VLDS
Die break full length of column #12 - LMDS
UVC-878 DMR-006

Stage F: Obverse is VLDS
Reverse die changed - MDS

That way you can learn to determine what die stage it is.
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Quote:
Check the die markers on these listings:
http://varietyvista.com/02b%20LC%20...3DRPM004.htm
To see which die stage/state your coin is. The listing is on the lower part of the page:

Quote:

Die Stage and Markers Chart
Die Stages and Markers: UVC-877 DMR-005

Stage A: Obverse and Reverse are EDS

Stage B: Obverse is MDS
Depression on column #12 - EMDS

Stage C: Light die crack on forehead - LMDS
Die chip on column #12 - LMDS

Stage D: Stronger die crack on forehead - LDS
Larger die chip on column #12 - LDS

Stage E: Die chip in hair - VLDS
Die break full length of column #12 - LMDS
UVC-878 DMR-006

Stage F: Obverse is VLDS
Reverse die changed - MDS

That way you can learn to determine what die stage it is.


I have been trying to do that for awhile. I search for the die markers for several minutes. Some die markers are easy to find along with the stage (I guess that's where I am at in the process). Determining EDS ,MDS, and LDS I am still in the kindergarten stage? I try to see how close the lettering is to the rim and the metal flow. Still to many questions in my head about that. Someone out there may have a trick they use and can pass it along.. Things like a die crack disappearing in a later stage has me baffled. Seems like it should be the other way around. Sometimes the crack gets bigger other times it doesn't! Searching OBW rolls I may be finding an earlier stage not pictured. Just don't know.?
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"Things like a die crack disappearing..
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That would only happen if they swap the die on the opposite side. Don't forget, there are two different dies making each coin and they don't have to be at the same stage/state.

At the bottom of the page VV tells you at what stage the dies were swapped. One variety [don't remember which now] uses the same reverse at stages a & c, but has a different one for stage b.

If you take a look at the 1911D RPM-5 [I believe] you will see a die crack at the base of the left wheat on the last two stages. The pics appear to show the same crack, but they are not the same and if you look closely you will notice they are similar but different.
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