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Cleaning Coins? Is It A Good Idea?

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Another question from a beginner: I have heard that coins should not be cleaned. Is that true? Why? If the answer is that it will reduce the value, I don't much care about the value. I have bought a few coins from Littleton. They sure look cleaned.

How would one clean them. I assume ultrasonicly. I have a few pennies that are covered with copper sulfide crystals. Is there any way to clean them. I would prefer a mothed that does not involve emission of Hydrogen sulfied and my demise.
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We would LOVE to see pics of coins purchased from Littleton - seriously .



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Yes virtually 100% of the time, and especially so for US modern coins.
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to the CCF Coins should never be cleaned. And if you bought them from littleton you paid to much for what you got. Stay away from them. All they do is remove common coins from circulation, put them in cello or bags and sell them too unsuspecting customers.
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To CCF , ; Littleton has been around for at least 50 years, probably more . They should know better than to sell cleaned coins . .
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Definitely good to clean coins recovered from ground burial, be they ancient coins more modern metal detector finds.

Most modern coins should never be cleaned, for any reason, even if they are stained with sulfides, chlorides or oxides.
Acetone will not remove this sort of staining.

Skin oils have fatty acids in them, and will leave fingerprint marks unless they are cleaned immediately with acetone. In this case, fingerprint stains are complex metal chlorides or sulfides. That is why coins should only be handled on their edge.

OK to buy cleaned coins,
but only at a considerable price reduction, anywhere from 25% to 50% of their equivalent uncleaned grade, depending on how badly the cleaning has affected to coin.
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This all comes down to a matter of degree and depends on the definition of 'cleaning'.

Lots to discuss here. I adhere to the saying, "Never say never."

After all, it is your coin.


edit: As was mentioned, I would not recommend buying from Littleton.





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I have heard that coins should not be cleaned. Is that true? Why? If the answer is that it will reduce the value, I don't much care about the value.

Collectors don't like cleaned coins because cleaned coins "look wrong". A heavily-worn coin that looks all slick and polished is like an ageing past-their-prime movie star with slathered-on makeup - they are trying, but failing, to disguise their true age.

Cleaned coins are also "damaged". Once a coin is cleaned, it cannot become "dis-cleaned" again, the process is irreversible.

This is why cleaned coins have lower value - nobody wants them, thus demand is reduced; lower demand means lower price.

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I have bought a few coins from Littleton. They sure look cleaned.

Litteton Coin Company's modus operandi has been the subject of much debate; just do a forum search for "Littleton" and you'll find all the discussion you could want on the subject. Suffice to say, they are not very popular with most collectors, as they effectively are "forcing" you to purchase coins that they decide you should be buying. Sure, you aren't actually "forced" to buy, you can return it if you wish - but LIttleton's target market are the people who are too shy and timid to try to return or cancel anything.

Are Littleton coins "cleaned"? Perhaps. It's not a complaint I've heard about Littleton before. It might depend on exactly which product stream you're hooked up with. Littleton would certainly end up with its fair share of cleaned coins that it purchases, and they've got to dump those cleaned coins onto somebody.

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How would one clean them. I assume ultrasonicly.

An ultrasonic bath is not really suitable for cleaning coins. In theory it should work nicely, but the problem in practice is how to suspend the coin in the middle of the bath, without it touching anything. Coins don't levitate, and a coin in a sonic bath is going to vibrate back and forth rapidly, rubbing against anything it touches - other coins, the walls of the bath, a plastic rack the coin is sitting in, even a piece of string tied around the coin, can all cause "rub". And rubbing a coin is "bad".

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I have a few pennies that are covered with copper sulfide crystals. Is there any way to clean them. I would prefer a mothed that does not involve emission of Hydrogen sulfied and my demise.

It might be bright green or bright blue, but it's not "copper sulfide crystals". Copper sulfide is black. If it's green or greenish-blue, then it's likely to be some combination of copper hydroxide, copper chloride, copper carbonate and copper bicarbonate. Copper coins turn green if they've been buried in the ground for centuries; green is therefore the "natural" colour for ancient and mediaeval copper coins. Modern coins aren't supposed to have had enough time to naturally turn green yet, so any that have turned green have done so because of environmental damage. Feel free to clean such coins, if you wish. Whether you prefer a "cleaned, formerly corroded coin" or a "green, corroded coin" in your collection is entirely a matter of personal preference (though most collectors would insist that neither of those options are desirable).

What to use to remove green corrosion products is entirely up to you. Acidic cleaning agents will tend to attack the raw copper metal as well, doing further unnecessary damage to the coin. Lye (sodium hydroxide) is often used, as this attacks just the corrosion and leaves the raw copper metal alone. Ammonia is the same, and I have had some success with it myself, though ammonia tends to turn the coin a particularly unpleasant shade of pinkish-orange.

If we're talking cleaning coins with chemicals, the tiny amounts of hydrogen sulfide given off by the cleaning process, are going to be the least of your worries.
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I was amused to read the grumpy remarks about Littleton Coin Co. That outfit is run by, I think, a guy named Dave Sundamen. The Mystic Stamp Co. is run by brother Don. (I am primarily a stamp collector, only dabbling in coins.) You should read the tirades about Mystic om your sister stamp forum. Pretty much the same grump: Way too expensive. And they both spend way too much on advertising, Mystic will send you a full color US stamp catalog about every four months. This morning I was reading the NY times on line, and up pops an ad for Littleton. Do I deal with Mystic. Sure. They are fast and reliable. I buy stamps, knowing I could get them elsewhere aor a dime or even a quarter less. Will I buy an exoensine stamp.? NO!
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Wow! a lot of great advice here. I don't think I can add anything to the above advice, except for: don't clean your coins, please, cleaning just ruins the Value natural luster and patina of the coins.
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Everything has already been said for me. I can only advise you before cleaning (if you still decide to do it) to post some photos of coins on the forum and we will tell you how best to clean the coin.
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For a type collection... Clean or not?




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Let's try a few more for the type collection. Clean or not?

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Let's try a few more for the type collection. Clean or not?

#2, #4 and #5 all have the pale-green, dusty appearance of active verdigris. These should be treated.

#1 looks like fire damage. Not sure there's anything to be done that might actually help or improve this coin. I'd leave it as-is.

#3 appears to have "stable" corrosion - if left alone, it shouldn't get worse all by itself. Treating it is an aesthetic decision, rather than one of necessity. It is a cupronickel coin, so I'm not quite sure how it got into that state, but would probably clean up fairly nicely, as opposed to a bronze/copper coin which is much more likely to become a weirdly-coloured, pitted mess.
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