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I believe this is a coin that was plugged by the mint, which I would assume is not a bad thing. It not a post strike plug. Am I right about that? Also, what is the indication that it has been "whizzed?"   Edited by Klyphy
07/13/2022 10:34 pm
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Can you post a picture of the reverse? Not my specialty, but that picture will be required for accurate responses by the experts.
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It looks to me like it was plugged under the E of LIBERTY, then repaired. Post mint IMO. I can't see the circle of a mint plug in the center of the reverse.
Nice looking coin. It looks like a die clash under Liberty's hair, in the shape of a wing.
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07/13/2022 10:51 pm
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Mint did not plug coins this was likely done by a jeweler. Plugged area appears to be under the eagle's left wing and in front of the portrait (the lighter spot) on the obverse.
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Agreed, this coin has been plugged. In the overall scheme of things, this really looks pretty good. Its still a details coin, but its really quite attractive all things considered.
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I like bold die clashes. I have several bust halves with good ones. This is the first I've seen on a flowing hair dollar.
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thq you could be right I was thinking the E looked retooled akin to a plug there, but the corresponding reverse area didn't look worked on to me, that's why I thought maybe under the wing, but then again plugs were usually at the top of the obverse in most cases so you are probably correct.
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I don't believe the mint would do this.
Nice looking coin
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PMD, holed and plugged outside of the mint. It appears the E in LIBERTY was reworked, and done very well. All but some discoloration looks original. A whizzing on a coin is when a coin was cleaned by a wire brush mounted-power tool.
I agree with thq, this die clash is very interesting.
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Comparing it to the plugged examples it does not look like a mint plugged whole. Still a very nice coin and rare.
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 I agree with plugged after it left the mint, so PMD. John1  |
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Great feedback all. I have a couple follow up points/questions. Regarding the plug: Back in the 1790s, the mint occasionally did "plug" a coin, but it's a completely different concept from repair plugging. It was done to add grams to make the coin weight compliant. I was thinking the light oval at her chin could have been such a plug. The reason I assumed it wasn't a plug of a post mint hole was the perfection of the e in liberty and absolutely no indication of repair in the reverse. I provided a closer picture of the reverse below. I see no indication of a plugged hole in this side. Regarding the whizz: Can someone point me to evidence it was whizzed? I genuinely don't know how to see that. Regarding the die clash: I see that now. Didn't even notice that before. Pretty cool!!! With all those potential pluses and minuses considered, what would a general ballpark value? PCGS coin facts says a standard vf25 is $9,250. I'm not "holding anyone to it," but what would be a reasonable asking price? $1,000. $5,000. Does the die clash potentially make it over the standard $9,250.?  Edited by Klyphy
07/14/2022 06:31 am
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Yes, in this case "plugged" and "repaired" are referring to the same thing. It appears to be a very good repair job but don't let images fool you. Just because it looks great in images doesn't mean it looks great in-hand. Although this one likely looks good in-hand. This piece sold for $3,700 a few months ago. I'd expect the imaged example to bring similar money. https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-doll...ption-071515 |
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One other interesting feature are the adjustment marks at the A in STATES, indicating an overweight planchet which was adjusted before minting. If I were a buyer I'd be in at $3500. It could sell at $4000-5000 to the right buyer because it's attractive and has a good clash. Maybe list it at $5000 OBO.
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07/14/2022 07:21 am
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All told a most attractive coin. It doesn't appear whizzed to me. to the CCF! |
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Attached is a reverse photo that shows a mint plug. The plug was a perfect circle done as a weight adjustment before the strike of the coin. -see photo below-  Below is the obverse that also shows the plug, but not as visible. The mint plugs were always in the center of the coin.  Edited by Slider23
07/14/2022 08:54 am
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