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Help To Identify These 1869 Coins

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 Posted 07/22/2022  05:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
im having trouble ideitifying these coins. can anyone help?


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 Posted 07/22/2022  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, these look like knock-offs of our Three Cent pieces from 1869, could have been used as play money somehow, kinda strange trio.
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 Posted 07/22/2022  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Non are genuine coins, they are all some sort of a fantasy coin.
Example is the one cent, in 1869 is should be an Indian Head.
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 Posted 07/22/2022  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JTCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, all counterfeit.
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 Posted 07/22/2022  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be spiel munze rather than counterfeits.
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A copy of a pattern coin? https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...-j-666/60890 I believe we should get a weight on this coin.
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Here's the 1869 5-cent pattern coin. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...proof-64-ngc
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Like @robbudo said, they are either patterns or copies of patterns.
Authentication would be required.
If they are REAL patterns then their values are in excess of $1000 each.

The first looks like J-666 or J-667.
The second looks like J-676 or J-677.
The third looks like J-684 or J-685.

The "J" stands for J. Hewett Judd, the person who created the cataloging and numbering system.
The catalog is titled, "United States Pattern Coins/Complete Source for History, Rarity and, Values" by J. Hewett Judd.
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Pics aren't very good, but they sure look realistic.
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On the plus side, you probably just have to pay for certification for ONE of them, because if one is real, they're probably all real, and if one is fake, they're all fakes.
However, there are die markers on the real ones, and if you provide close ups of the coins, we can give better advice.
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I about spit my coffee when I opened this topic; I sure wasn't expecting to see patterns when I did!

While I don't know the key markers to look for on these specific coins to try and determine authenticity, there are folks here that do. As robbudo mentioned, closer and clearer images would help. Also, please remove the coins from the 2x2 holder before taking the pics.
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I don't see any direct evidence that would lead me to believe that these are not genuine. The damage and spotting could be a clue to the age of these coins.
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On the plus side, you probably just have to pay for certification for ONE of them, because if one is real, they're probably all real, and if one is fake, they're all fakes.

I generally disagree with this statement. If you are going to send them
in, send them all in. It won't be worth assuming the coins are genuine. There are cheaper services, like ANACS, that can be used to certify the coins. Just make sure the coins are in a state so they won't be bodybagged. No active residue that would further damage the coin once it is in a holder.
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