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1859 Damage Or Repunch?

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I think I've been able to I'd this obverse as a 38. The reverse, not so sure yet. One question is the second A in Canada. Is that just damage, or is it a repunch of some sort? Looks like the same damage is on the reverse as well.


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 Posted 07/25/2022  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Whatever damaged the Obverse also damaged the Reverse.
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Coin also appears to have been cleaned some time ago.
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Thank you. As a general rule, are the obverses easier to ID than the reverse?
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It looks like someone punched a hole and then hit a portion pulling it out? Usually the Obv needs to be seen clearly, but many markers are on the reverse.
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To me it looks like there is 2 holes that have been filled. I'd assume it was on a necklace or something and when the original hole was being punched or drilled it didn't work out so they did a second one then a patch up job was done. Either way I guess with the main question the coin has been damaged.
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As a general rule, are the obverses easier to ID than the reverse?


Generally, I would say the reverses are easier to ID, but when attributing 1859's it's a good idea to check out both sides for die cracks and the obverse for major re-punches like the CA of CANADA on your obverse 38 coin. If there are no die cracks and no obviously re-punched letters on the obverse, then determine the reverse group and narrow it down from there with the stem to leaf 9 which was re-cut on every reverse except reverse N1.

Now that you know the Obverse is 38, you can check out the 4 known reverses paired with 38 to see which one it is. The die state of the obverse will help with that. Note the die cracks through the E of DEI and the N of REGINA. On the die state chart in the catalog, you will see that those cracks are only seen in the later obverse die states. Also you have a reverse die crack between leaves 13 and 14. That should be enough to ID your reverse.
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Thank you.
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I think it would help if I knew what I was looking for. I see the DEI crack and reverse crack, but for the life of me I can't tell the CA has been repunched or the crack in the Regina n.
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The C in Canada is repunched, but there are 5-6 at least with that type repunch
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