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1787 Connecticut Copper Off Center

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While I'm stuck home with Covid I thought I'd go through some coins. Thoughts on this?

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I am trying to learn a bit about the Connecticut Coppers, but there are so many varieties (over 350), that they are far and away, the toughest of the Colonials to learn to identify varieties in.

I found this page: https://www.money.org/collector/use...-copper-1787

An interesting formula presented to begin to attribute them on that page.

Then there is this off center one at a Stack's/Bowers auction, but doesn't look at all like yours:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...left-fine-15

The letters are quite different and the spacing is not even close. being there are so many Miller 33 possibilities (50 or so). I do have a copy of the new Connecticut Copper bible by Randall Clark, but it's not at hand to look up right now.
https://www.numislit.com/pages/book...rs-1785-1788

This would make a fun coin to look up the ID of with my new Clark book. I'll try to grab it and see if I can get close within a day or so. My own Connecticut coppers are way more worn than this one.

Notre Dame website on Colonials has a bunch of photos that may help:
https://coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoi...r.intro.html

The Miller book is still in Copyright at the NNP so it's not up for online access yet. There are quite a few good NNP Auction resources as well you can use, Try the C4 Auctions, I just gave them my collection of catalogs to scan and all the PRLs to go with them, the full set should be posted and available now.
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/aucti...etail/512193
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They're actually pretty easy to ID with decent detail like this one. I'll let you guys practice on it!
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Little more time now, pretty nice coin. The detail is decent, fair share of hits that do detract, as well as the centering. Still a nice coin, I would be very happy with it! If westcoin doesn't come up with the ID I'll help out.
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I'm researching but honestly am getting exhausted. Covid nap time.
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I'll tease a little, it's actually a better variety. Not one of the common ones.
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OK, if there are no other takers, it is a 37.12-LL. This is a R5+ variety, this is the rarity point where Connecticut coppers start to get a little more interesting.
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icutler - good call, I believe you are correct. Here is a Stack's/Bowers auction of one with good quality photos to compare.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...where-struck
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Yep, I collect these by die variety. By serious Connecticut collector standards my collection is small, 60 or so varieties, but it is a fun series to work on.
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Most of the marks pre-strike; just not enough pressure to flatten them during minting.
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I had Covid pretty bad but I'm back now.

Should I send out to get graded?
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Glad you are feeling better. No idea about getting it graded, I cracked out the few that I got that were already graded. Most collectors of these seem to prefer them raw.
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There are literally over 350 varieties of Connect. Coppers
I have seen a few off center examples.
This one is very nice!
Agree, looks to be a 37.12-LL which helps add to value.
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Just saw in the C4 group today, that Randall Clark's book "THE IDENTIFICATION AND CLASSIFICATION OF CONNECTICUT COPPERS (1785-1788)" just won the NLG Book of the Year! I got my copy on an early purchase just before they were shipping, it's an amazing book, though also huge at over 700 pages, I haven't gone through all of it completely in the few months I've had it.
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Westcoin, that is awesome!
Congrats brother!
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The book is certainly deserving of the award, it is the most often consulted book in my numismatic library.
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