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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: if the date can be determined to the exact year from other criteria.
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Belgium
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@keith12, my mistake - we're indeed still in 1597, I was not very attentive  @erafjel, very interesting what you write as I understand, the french legends were used on jetons since the 15th century, (Philips le Beau) ; but French legends disappeared from the jetons and coins in the northern provinces after the revolt started in 1568; so this token from Utrecht is an outlier also less common is a Dutch legend: so to correct my mistake of the year here is one example from 1597  Dugn.3426 Spanish Netherlands, mint of Brussels OBV: St. Michael (patron of the city) fights the dragon LEGPENNINCK DER STADT V BRVESSEL (jeton of the city of Brussels) REV: two hands on a Mercurius staff, CONCORDIA RES PARVAE CRESCVNT (the legend that would be used standard on coins of the Ducth republic) Saint Michael fighting the apocalyptic dragon (like in the painting of Breughel, De val van de opstandige engelen) is a theme that appeared regularly on old coins minted in Brussels
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Russian Federation
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Quote: Can we show a ND coin but with a known date range e.g. Fyodor Ivanovich 1584 - 1596? IIRC some ND coins had came through on their earliest possible dates, but it's definitely out of contest and should only be done (if at all) after a proper coin for the current active date. Might still be disallowed by the rules.
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Thanks Keith12 and Jan'1M' That's all good, the rules is the rules. Retained in the thinking barrel for now anyway 
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Belgium
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1596  Dugn.3402 United provinces, mint of Dordrecht 'triple alliance' (between France, England & Dutch Republic) OBV: three soldiers shake hands on altar on which is written LIBERT PATR (freedom of homeland) legend: COMMVNIS QVOS CAVSA MOVET SOCIAT (the common grounds of our cause) mintmark: rose REV: soldier point to ODIVM TYRANNIDIS (I hate tyrranny) written on a pillar CIC IC XCVI (1596) TITVLVS FOEDERIS (title of the alliance) lots of propaganda and politics on less than 4 grammes of copper
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Poland 1596 trojak, Lublin mint.   Between 1588 and 1600, Sigismund had trojaks struck in 9 mints across his considerable realm: Bydgoszcz, Krakow, Lublin, Malbork, Olkusz, Poznan, Riga (Livonia) and Vilnius (Lithuania) and Wschowa. Apparently standardization was not yet vauled: there are slight differences in the portrait, abbreviations used in SIgismund's titles, and in the legends reverse. There also appear to have been differences in the skill levels of the engravers, with Lublin (which hadn't struck coins previously) being toward the low end.
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This Livonian 3 Groschen was struck in 1596 AD from a die containing a pretty hefty crack:  
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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Now that's a crack!
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Pillar of the Community
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1596 The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 6 Groschen was struck in Malbork  
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Belgium
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1595 Spain was involved in war on the two borders of the Spanish Netherlands: to the South in conflict with Henri IV of France and to the North against the United Provinces. After 1588 (failure of the Armada to invade England) most of the offensive effort of Alexander Farnese, general of the Spanish army, was situated in Northern France (Picardie and French Flanders). Two examples below: First a copper siege coin of 20 patards made in Cambrai to pay the French garrison that defended the city in 1595. The siege coin is typically hammered on one side with different dies. The central large die shows 9 and 5 around the coat of arms of France, legend: HENRICO PROTECTORE; on the left and right the face value XX P, below the coat of arms of ? if anybody knows that would be great  Second piece is a jeton from Middelburg that memorizes the capture of the fortresses of Doulens and Le Catelet by the Spanish army. As we saw 2 weeks earlier in this thread, the Dutch supported the policy of religious freedom defended by Henri IV.  Dugniolle 3372 Middelburg 'Massacre of Doulens / capture of Le Catelet' VZ Hendrik IV attacked by bear, wolf, fox & snake EXPECTA DOMINVM VIRILITER AGE KZ coat of arms Zeeland ET ILLE ROBORABIT CORTVVM the third piece of 1595 praises the succes of Maurice of Orange to reconquer cities in the Northern border of the Spanish Netherlands.  Dugniolle 3375 United Privinces, mint of Dordrecht 'Bravery and wisdom of Prince Maurice' OBV Maurice depicted as Mars, standing QVAERERI (to be sought) REV Maurice depicted as Pallas Athenae, seated ET TVERI (and to be protected) CIC IC XCV funny detail are the birds on this jeton: woodpecker and owl
Edited by 1c5d7n5m 11/05/2023 04:07 am
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Pillar of the Community
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1595 The Duchy of Livonia  
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 Sweden
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Another set of great jetons, @1c5d7n5m!  Quote: First a copper siege coin of 20 patards made in Cambrai ... below the coat of arms of ? if anybody knows that would be great A well struck specimen, and beautiful in its simplicity. The arms are of Jean de Montluc de Balagny, appointed governor of Cambrai by Henri IV. More about him here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_...c_de_BalagnyQuote: funny detail are the birds on this jeton: woodpecker and owl Indeed, nice details in the composition. They are the traditional companions of Mars respectively Athena. The woodpecker can symbolize courage and motivation (among other things), the owl represents wisdom. So their presence underlines the good qualities of Prince Maurice.
Edited by erafjel 11/05/2023 05:18 am
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Belgium
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Indeed, nice insights on the virtues attributed to the birds! I never knew. The 1595-1596 Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth coins (including Livonia which was under their rule) nicely demonstrate the mint variations I mentioned. Here is a trojak struck in Wschowa:   @Keith's 6 groschen coin from Malbork goes at the top of the list for quality of execution (design details, elegance and uniformity of the fonts), Riga (Livonia) next, then this one, and my 1596 Lublin at the bottom (at least my opinion)
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Great coins this morning. Here is a Double Tournois struck in the French Region of Combes.  
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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