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1901 Indian Head Penny (Toned) For Grading

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Title Says it all, What says the community?
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AU-58 details, cleaned.
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Cleaned and retoned.
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Au-58...cleaned and re-toned (oven?)

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This coin has been in a type set holder for many years. So if it is a cleaned coin, it is an old cleaning. As far as oven toning, don't think so. I could be wrong, lord knows I am more often than I would like to admit :)
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first thought was AU details (Cleaned/AT)
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Couple of more pics.
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AU details , AT .
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Sticking with AU details.
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AU details definitely cleaned and possibly toned over. That color is very unnatural and the surfaces do not look original.

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I got this coin out of a 20th century type coins set. This is what it looks like in its home. I know the coin has been in the set for around 20 years. Very possible on the cleaning, but it has to be an old cleaning. Other coins in this type set have been cleaned(but not all). I do not think the toning is intentionally artificial.

Just wanted you guys to know it's not me that cleaned this beauty....

could the toning be the result of a cleaning years ago?
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Cleaned, polished, and retoned. It got worked over.
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With the new pics, I'd still say AU details, previously cleaned. The cleaning or dipping could certainly have been long ago. It's not unusual to see questionable color on toned coins after a cleaning, possibly due to residual chemicals on the surfaces.
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I do not think the toning is intentionally artificial.


everyone that has looked at this coin has deemed it to be AT or questionable. its pretty rare to get a consensus of this many on anything so take from it what you want. there is a lot of experience here handling toned coins. They are not saying you are the one that altered the coin however it did occur in its past and there is very little chance it would grade straight.


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could the toning be the result of a cleaning years ago?


I'm not an expert on toning but the only thing thats even near possible is that whatever was used on the coin to clean it was not removed entirely. whether its AT baked in an oven or some other method or not, the coin would still pull a details designation. looking at your second obv photo the original surfaces have been removed. you stated that the coin has been in an album for quite a while. this could have occurred decades ago prior to you acquiring it.
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