I Think I Just Found A 1917 Lincoln Wheat Cent DDO

Condor the first pic is the op's coin and the second pic is the real doubled die on coppercoins site

I just wanted to show the difference on the doubling on the real doubled die, and the Die Deterioration on the ops coin look at the R in trust

Coppercoins I know very much on the subject I will not argue with you that;s just my opinion the only other explanation it could be a class 6 distended hub doubling with some extra thickness on the letters along with some Die Deterioration Doubling and some Machine Doubling there's other forms of doubling on that coin that's my opinion I still go with Die Deterioration and MD just my opinion Jazec

Jazec

Did you find this in circulation?

Well, Jazzcoins...you obviously don't know the subject or you wouldn't be contradicting fact and giving bad advice.

First of all, the coin is 1917P-1DO-001...no question about it. I can see it, others can see it. You just have to be different, I guess just to argue.

Second, there is such thing as "coin wear" which will make separation lines in doubling disappear...which is EXACTLY what happened with this coin. It's not Die Deterioration, it's wear.

Third, class 6 distended hub doubling goes toward the rim and has nothing at all to do with the subject at hand. This coin does not have simple extra thickness, it has clear and bold separation that has worn down. Your statement that class 6 doubling could have caused this is a clear statement that you obviously don't understand class 6 doubling.

Class 6 doubling would not cause the heavy and obvious NOTCH on the inside of the 9 of the date visible in the OPs photos. It also COULD NOT cause side to side thickness in the motto because that is parallel to the rim, not perpendicular to the rim. Class 6 doubling occurs as extra thickness toward the rim...which is perpendicular in relation to the rim, not parallel.

You come around here just to contradict what other people say who DO know the subject, then act like you know something. Instead of just saying the opposite of others just to be doing it, how about joining in, taking the chip off, and learn something. Foundinrolls has mentioned it, now I'm mentioning it. You have specifically contradicted clear facts stated by myself, Conder101, Biokemist, Foundinrolls, and others who have forgotten more about die varieties than you know about them, as made evident by your repeated misinformation.

You do show potential for knowing the subject - some of what you state is actually correct. But coming around here talking about the years of experience you have then delving complete misinformation shows you either don't have the experience you claim, or you learned from the wrong sources. If the OP of this thread actually took your advice and believed what you said, they would toss a coin worth potentially hundreds of dollars into a bag and forget about it. Your brazen attitude about knowing the subject and misinformation affect all the people you give it to, because it makes teaching them much more difficult when they see opposite information posted as replies to their queries. Many of the new people who come here don't know who here knows and who here doesn't, and they are just as likely to take your misinformation as they are to take someone else's good information.

All I ask is that you either post replies to people's questions based on clear fact or you STATE IN YOUR POST that you aren't sure...and stop with the attitude that you have experience with something that you obviously don't. You can help yourself a lot around here if you try to learn instead of trying to be the final (and incorrect) word.

This is not based on opinion...it's based on fact. Nothing about this subject is opinion. Coins are what they are, you can't change them into something they are not. Red is red, saying it's blue only hurts the credibility of the person who's wrong. I've said enough. The truth is obvious.

Thank you for being such a valuable asset here, making others work harder to teach those who want to learn.

will that was interesting
i have been doing this for about 8month now and how I have been lucky to find what I have found is I have (and still is) educating myself what to look for . I spent as much time as I can reading and listing and looking at every thing I can about coins,how they are made , and so on so I for sure agree that educate yourself and listen to people that know what they are talking about.i post stuff on here because 1. I'm pretty sure that is what it is(by checking and comparing several times to several sources) or 2. not 100% sure and need help with it .
just like this coin I was pretty sure before I posted it that it was the 1917ddo but there was a doubt because of the wear and wanted other input
so thanks for all the input and education on this one

colleen
still with a lot to learn

nice find

Jazz, I know the first pic was the OP coin, and I thought it probably was but the DDO but wasn't completely sure. I also know that the second picture was a picture of a better quality 17 DDO. And as soon as I saw it I then knew for sure that the OP coin was the DDO because the features I saw on the OP coin that had me thinking it was the DDO matched exactly with the known DDO.

Jazz, you may feel you know a lot about errors, but a very significant amount of the time the identifications you have made on coins posted have been flat out wrong. Now I don't claim to be a expert on errors and I have missed my share of ID's, but my error rate doesn't come close to yours. I feel you really don't know errors as well as you think you do.