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1994 P Lincoln Cent Rotated Die, (160-170 Degree).

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It is still a keeper.
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MAKE, if it is 160 deg rotation, mean the coin it is almost medal strike. By the photos provided do not seem. Now the angles: could not bypass 180 deg. Could be left or right but not mor then 180.
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@silviosi what are you talking about? It IS nearly in medal alignment... look at the picture in the mirror.
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SAM if it is mean is the first I see at this moment. Maybe I am wrong, to convince my self, I will compare with a Canadian coin.
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Excellent find MC. Lots of rotation on that one. I love that overlay you did with the rotation indicator.

Silviosi, with the image of his coin in the mirror, ONE CENT is on the bottom opposite the base of the bust.

That's pretty close to medal alignment.
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Excellent find MC. Lots of rotation on that one.
Thanks, man! It stinks it's in such bad shape though.
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@silviosi US coins are in coin alignment normally. This one has the reverse and obverse both oriented in the same direction in the mirror picture. That's a nearly 180 degree rotation. Comparing to a Canadian coin doesn't make sense since Canadian coins are normally medal alignment...
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@SAM: What you state is that this coin is almost medal. In the photo follow here you will find the normal mirror US coin. One of the considering here it is that the base of the mausoleum will be 90 deg by rapport of the meddle ax. If I look at the OP photo it is normal coin US not medal. Medal you flip the coin left or right and have the image correctly. On the coins direction you flip up - down. If you put the coin in the mirror you will see what is in my photo. So the angle you calculate it is the deviation from the normal meddle ax form the center of the coin. I calculate relatively because I do not have the coin in hand and give somewhere 21.5 deg left from the ax.

Sorry SAM basic circle geometry. If was 160 deg rotation, in the mirror you will see the base of the mausoleum down , not up.
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And here it is a photo of one of the few know medal strike penny in mirror
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For to help me I just gotta find out something.
If it's CCW rotation. Wouldn't you follow the red line/arrow?
I don't mind being wrong but I like to make sure.
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Nice ROB here I put the coin with angle calculation, I say approx 21.5 because we can not be sure the OP rotate 180 perfect the coin, which will be very hard.
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Guys, as I told you at the beginning of this post, I knew nothing about rotated dies but I did have enough common sense to know it was WAY off. Since I have posted this, I have done some studying and found a site called rotateddies.com and I think they know what they're doing. I poked all around the site, checking out different things and am comfortable with my final assessment. And yes, silviosi, it can go beyond 180 degrees, depending on where you start from and use that as a basis to work from(don't forget, we're dealing with 360 degrees). As far as I understand, it is working clockwise from the obverse, perfectly oriented, being the base point. Check out the site, do a little reading and get back with us. And also, I stated that my work on here was not perfect (very loose actually) but was enough to get me close enough to know it's not 20 degrees or anywhere near it.
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You have your little red arrows pointing at the wrong end, Rob. You have the right idea, just totally opposite of what it should be,
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Look at coop's pics, silviosi and maybe it will click for you. He has one of tropicalbats quarter's with 135 degrees rotation but it opposes the direction of my coin and it says ccw (counter clock wise). Hope this helps.
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