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The Re-Engraved Bowtie 1971-S LMC (Odv-028 & RDV-002, MMS-007)

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 Posted 09/17/2022  07:58 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...rieties.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> br / Sorry, silviosi. I got my pics mixed up last night when posting on two different threads but is fixed now. The closeup is of the same coin as the new pic I uploaded just now, of a 1971 D that is re-engraved. I think I have a P too but will have to do some digging. Did you refer to the VV link I gave you? It shows that there were re-engraved dies for all three mints. Scroll down to ODV-028. LINK http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htm Then scroll down to RDV-008. LINK http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...arieties.htm
You would need a nice example to be able to tell if it had the RDV-008 reverse though, in my oppinion.
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chgk1628, maybe this will help you see.

The-Re-Engraved-Bowtie-1971-S--LMC--Odv-028-&-RDV-002,-MMS-007
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Comparing the die states, shows that this die that struck this coin, was polished, probably to remove a clash mark, and weakened the bow tie. That is what you are seeing on your coin.
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In my opinion I think my example's bowtie outline structure ratio was more closer to the ODV-028 than makecents'.
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After directly compare with VV's ODV-027,I found Makecents-ODV-028 outline structure ratio looks almost the same as VV's ODV-027.
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Comparing the die states, shows that this die that struck this coin, was polished, probably to remove a clash mark, and weakened the bow tie. That is what you are seeing on your coin.
coop, I'm assuming you are referring to the OP's coin, if so, I agree, completely. Mine is definitely a re-engraved coin, even with my extreme noviceness, I see this.
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I certainly have to say Makescents matches VV ODV-028 pretty well, even to these old peepers.
The Re-engraving is easy to see.
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Here were two different ODV of the1971 LMC that I found in my coin bank. In my view the Denver's variety was VV's ODV-028 and the Phil's one was ODV-027. Am I right?
The-Re-Engraved-Bowtie-1971-S--LMC--Odv-028-&-RDV-002,-MMS-007
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For every body here: I will put the table of the MM's


Mint Branch Mint Mark Years Mark Used
Carson City (NV) CC 1870-1893
Charlotte (NC) C 1838-1861
Dahlonega (GA) D 1838-1861
Denver (CO) D 1906-Present
New Orleans (LA) O 1838-1861, 1879-1909
Philadelphia (PA) P 1942-45, 1979-Present
San Francisco (CA) S 1854-1955, 1968-Present
West Point (NY) W 1984-Present

Hope you will remember forever.
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Thanks for your information! Silvio.
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I just logged on and glad I clicked on this post learned so much on polishing and re~engraving which I never really knew to look for, I am very thankful to be getting so much coin knowledge from you coin experts even if not all agree on topic attribution are variety just reading the discussion of the topic you can learn many other things that are just as important almost like 2 lawyers opening statement lol
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I want to be be clear here: Was not re-engraved Die for this year, just re-punches working Dies. Please folks, we have to stop compare years with other years. VV it is a good start to look, but them show just they see not more, this do not mean could not be others things.

this coin it is a clear re-punch Die. Some will accept , others not. By Mint docs. was re-punched Dies in order to finish the production. That's is that' all.
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