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Hi, guys. I know there's an RPM mint error for the 1943 D Lincoln Cent, but all the example photos I've seen, the "shadow" mint mark is south and east of the prominent one. I was looking at my uncle's coins today and noticed the D on this coin—there's something going on to the EAST of the dominant mint mark. It looks like an RPM to me but I've thought that before and y'all told me I was seeing things, so I'll let you check it out for me! Thanks in advance!     |
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They are 53 RPM for this year at https://www.doubleddie.com/887255.html Look at them then state what you thing so. An more close pics is need for determinate if it is or not. By your photos now, I will go for die gauche. |
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Too much glare,is the coin in a holder?Looks like a worn die issue not an RPM. John1  |
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Reprocessed cent. (Plated.) Now just a what cent. The original ones would be dull looking in gloss:  Edited by coop
10/11/2022 10:35 am
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Hey, Dearborn, I think it's my photography. LOL. I used a magnify app and it also makes my grandpa's black leather notebook look sparkly. I caved in and dug thru boxes until I found my microscope and got a few closer pictures. Now I'm REALLY not sure—there's definitely something around the mint mark and also to the east of the 4 and 9, but whether it would be doubling (on that link silviosi put up, there was one similar and the caption said it was abrasion doubling, so maybe that?). Anyway, here's more—it looks really different depending on lighting and angles. When the east side of the MM is lit it looks like a little rotation doubling but it's definitely not pronounced. Anyway, here are the pics.   Edited by twslisa
10/11/2022 2:36 pm
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I'm still going to say reprocessed. Don't think it's a RMM.
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@twslisa Your coin was re-plated with a new zinc layer. Seeing your new photos, I would have to say that it is Machine Doubling on the date and MM. If it were an RPM, you would not see it on the date as well. You see the date is engraved into the die, but the MM is hand punched separately. The only thing that relates to both would be MD. |
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So, Dearborn, is this something that would have been done at the mint, or post mint? The reason I ask is these coins were probably part of my uncle's collection, coins he picked up when he and grandpa went to the coin shop as he was growing up. He was killed in a car accident in 1963 and was 24 at the time. So if the replating was post-mint, was that something they were doing in the 1940's and 50's, when he was a kid? (I'm basing the provenance on the fact that they're included in an album that appears to have been his).
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@ twslisa; Do not be frustrated. Look like modern re-plated related coins, but this do not mean it is. I have those coins if the war period and many say re-polish or re-plated but was not true. This remarks are due to the photos. //////we see a lot and at one point also those here who are very knowledge person could mistake by the photos. From the point of the view of the coin, (photos reworked) your metal texture is original, seem like re-worked but it is not.
Your coin do not have RPM, a small Die gauche. An relative used Die. The coin it is a very nice for the period and in very good shape.
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10/12/2022 02:26 am
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Thanks, Silviosi. I meant to reply to your question about whether I thought any of the examples on the Wexler page looked like what I was seeing (the abrasion doubling). WRPM-023 is really similar to what I see on my coin, but I don't see the die cracks on the tie. Also, WRPM-032 shows what I'm seeing to the east of the numbers.
Anyway, given Uncle Dan was a kid when he bought these, it's very possible he wouldn't have recognized replating, if they were doing that back then. I'm just wondering if they were doing it when he would have been collecting—the coins would have been pretty common and cheap at the time.
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@ twslisa: I answer to your post because I am in the meddle of studied of RPM's including pennies and cents. For the year of yours's coin are many RPM's. An photo sometimes could not be exact and is relative. If you fell comfortable with, I suggest you to send to ANACS or VSS for confirmation. If you choice this do not forgot to mention RPM on the submission paper. Me I see die gauche by the photos, this do not mean could not be other thing. To have the coin in hand is one thing and the photos other thing.
Hope it is RPM in a very nice war coin.
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@twslisa: The re-plating was done after it left the mint. The Machine Doubling is caused by the hammer die bouncing and/or a loose set-up with the equipment. I remember the first time I chemically altered my copper cent coins. (turning them gold and silver - That was in the late '60's. So it is possible the re-plating was done 'way back then'. Now that all said, after looking at your latest images, I'm willing to entertain the thought that it was not re-plated - it does look a bit more of a matte finish (as it should) without the coin in hand it is hard to tell sometimes with just photos. (Your first set of images do have a lot of glare and that may give it the appearance of a re-plate job. Edited by Dearborn
10/12/2022 10:23 am
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Can you please remove the coin from its holder and get an image of the edge? it could tell volumes about your coin.
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The 43 cents were steel, they didn't take circulation very well. They rusted. Sometime in the late 40s or early 50s plating companies would take 100 of your rusty cents, clean them up and replate them sending you back 50 nice and shiny coins. They made their money on the 50 they kept.
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That is die wear under the mintmark. Not a RPM:  The steel dies and Steel planchets, made the dies wear faster. |
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Posted 10/10/2022 9:58 pm
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
