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1815 Classic Head Large Cent - What Variety Is It?

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i like coins like this one. ill post my attribution tomorrow.

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Since 1815 is known to not have any half or large cents struck...

I'm stumped it appears to be a Half Cent obverse design but doesn't match either of the two varieties of 1825 though it's close to 1825 C-1

The reverse I'm totally stumped on.


I know it's not any large cent I can figure, on the obverse the head and hair design matches the Half Cent and not any large cent, as does the date placement, date shifted far right of the bust, plus the star #1 being so close to the bust point. Never saw any large cent with a bump on the forehead either.

Reverse I am at a loss without more obverse pointers to go on. Interesting and weird coin. Looking forward to a reveal on this one. Whatever it is, I've never seen anything remotely similar.

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I'm pretty far out of my swim lane on this one, but that number 5 in the date looks tooled to me. Could this cent have started life as a 1813, for example?
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Could this cent have started life as a 1813, for example?

Precisely, this coin had been tooled to make it appear like an 1815 large cent. They did a pretty decent job too, as the numeral style matches those of other denominations in 1815.

Finding the sheldon variety will be tougher than normal because there is no date to go with.

I may give it a try tomorrow, depending on my homework load.
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Not my area but like the guess the variety games. I agree with the others that looks like it started out 1813 and from the lettering position of "United States" and "America" seems to be a good fit for Sheldon: S-293 (Breen: B-1).
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1buff2many: Good eye, don't know how I missed looking at that one, the date position is really close (beyond the redone 5) I think you got it. I'm with you after looking at a few S-293 photos next to this one. Should've pulled my Breen book down off the shelf before making the comment I did first.
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I've always wanted to own an 1815 large cent. They are very rare....
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I agree with S-293, they are a match. Great work 1buff2many
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good work everybody.

this is an 1813 S-293 altered to look like an 1815. in addition to the pick up points listed above the 13th star is abnormally close to the date on the 293.

the work was done by someone who was skilled and also familiar with the date punches of the era.

the most common "1815" large cents are from 1845. it is the easiest modification to make. 1813 and 1825 sometimes make an appearance and are usually in high demand.
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