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Valued Member
Australia
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Hi everybody, Recently I bought a Canadian 5 cents coin dated 1944 which is not made of steel and it is copper/brass and when I checked it on internet, I found that there is only one coin reported of this date with brass composion (Tombac) and therefore I decided to share its photos with you to have your kind opinion in this regard. With best regards Habib.   |
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Moderator
 Australia
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I suppose the obvious question and first test is: does it stick to a magnet? If the answer is "yes", then it's not tombac, just gilt/gold plated post-mint.
If it doesn't stick, then you might indeed have something.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Chinese made counterfeit.
It's round rather than multi sided.
The morse code is mushed and George looks weak.
Surprised the weight is correct.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
10/25/2022 11:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Yes, I agree with it being a fake or Chinese counterfeit. As DBM stated, it is round , not 12-sided. It looks like the fakers tried to crush the Reverse Morse code into a round planchet and nearly obliterated the code. Only 42 & 43 5 cents from tombac. The magnet test by DBM would be worthwhile, but I think that it's a fake.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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I hope that you didn't pay too much for it as it is definitely a counterfeit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks just like the one I bought as a fake (on purpose to study) years ago off of ebay when ebay allowed such things. Take a look at pictures of a certified 1945 Tombac (or 1944 if you can find pictures) online. Closely compare the details to see how "mushy" the details on (our) your coin(s) is compared to a real Tombac coin. Also notice the micro-pitting on the surface from being a cast copy.   |
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Valued Member
 Australia
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Dear all, Thank you for your kind reply and suggestions. This coin does not stick to a magnet and it has origi al luster and not dull color or blackish. I also analysed its metal composition which showed it is made up %91 copper and %9 zinc which is the exact composition of Tomback metal. I am attaching other photos for your kind information. Please let me know your suggestions and what I have to do next? With best regards, Habib.    |
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Australia
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Sorry, Habib, but as others have pointed out, it is fake. Genuine 1944 tombac 5 cent pieces are 12-sided; your coin is round.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Please let me know your suggestions and what I have to do next? 1. Try to get your money back. 2. If not, be more careful buying supposedly rare coins on ebay, |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Made in China. Compare the ding in the hair with the one shown by Earle. Same dies.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Dear all,
Thank you for your kind suggestions, but I just wanted to say that Tombac coins are originally rounded and inside the round planchet, the designed 12 sided pattern. The 12 sided coins are strated from 1944 with bronze composition.
With regards,
Habib.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Another that will not listen....please go buy some more.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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If it is such a valuable coin, then it should be send to one of the top graders for verification.
No one is going to believe it is genuine unless it is slabbed.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Habib ... You wanted to know what you should do. I'd report the seller to the authorities for selling counterfeit items. Regardless of the weight or the alloy composition, it was struck with a ROUND die, not a 12-sided one. As nickelsguy says, the mark on your coin is the same as the fake bought by another member, so they came from the same fake die. Just take the loss and hold it as an expensive learning experience ... and report the seller to the authorities or auction or ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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OR, do as suggested here and send it to one of the big two TPG. You will have your answer very quickly. Think on this....IF someone out there actually owned a genuine coin like this do you really believe it would be for sale on ebay? It would find it's way to an auction block where the big fish who could afford it tend to shop. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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An obvious fake .
As stated earlier the OP just not really too interested
in the truth . Get it authenticated and get back to us .
We see these and other fakes regularly at our
Weekly market .
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10/29/2022 12:58 pm
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