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New Member
United States
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Hi this week I bought $25 of penny's from the bank. I have been going through pulling out all the 1981 and earlier pennies. About 1/3 or the way through the box I came across this 2000 d penny with the reverse stamped over the obverse. The coin us in really bad shape and extremely dirty. I will post better pictures in the morning when I have my microscope set up. I don't know if this is real or if someone tried to fake this.  |
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Moderator
 United States
56855 Posts |
 It is called a vise job,it is PMD. John1  |
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Moderator
United States
34430 Posts |
@gary, I'd love to see a pic of the other side of this cent, but so far I agree with @john, that this is damage meant to look like a mint error.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
21645 Posts |
It is either a vise job or someone has put glue on the coin and pressed another coin into it.
Better pictures will tell but either way it is damage.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19227 Posts |
Single photo is a bit too dark to fully evaluate, but at this point it does appear to be a deliberate vise job. Better photos might tell us more.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Agree, false error. to the CCF! |
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New Member
 United States
10 Posts |
Here are a couple better photos.   |
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Moderator
United States
34430 Posts |
Ok yes much better pics. Thx for that. You definitely have a vise job here. This cent is a spender for me.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19227 Posts |
Yes. The give away is the reversed lettering seen on the coin's reverse. Might be fun to keep it as a cool curiosity.
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Moderator
United States
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I once tried to replicate this "error" using my bench vice. It apparently needs more pressure than I could muster.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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How do we know it was an altered coin from the being squeezed by vise? Note on the obverse, you can see the ONE mirrored. If this had been struck twice, then the ONE would be normal, not mirrored. Also the reverse would be showing an extra obverse. So just two coins, were damaged to altered your coin. Your coin and another one. (Not a flip over strike coin, once in collar, once out of collar)
Double struck rotated in collar strike once out of collar once out of collar: (Proof Copper planchet, Proof coins are normally struck twice, so with one in collar and once out of collar, that is the error on this one)
Business strike double struck in collar: (Rotated a quarter turn between strikes, note the devices are normal, not mirrored)
Business strike double struck in collar: (Rotated a quarter turn between strikes, once in collar, once out of collar)
Business strike double struck out of collar:
Flip Over Double Strike:
Note on the doubled strike coins the devices are normal and between strikes the first strike maybe weaker because of the second strike. On a damaged coin, they will be mirrored and on top of the normal strike. One is a fake, the other is the real deal.  CoopHome: How to tell a real mint error doubled strike, from a vise altered coin? the devices will be normal, not mirrored and the second strike will be strongest on the real second strike 43Edited by coop
10/27/2022 11:06 am
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New Member
United States
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Gentlemen thank you for your time and some coin 101. I did notice the reversed letters on the obverse from the reverse of another coin. Plus the reverse partially looed as if it was clamped in the Jaws of a vice. I still have a lot to learn and have 2 more coons to post and ask questions about that I will post this afternoon and tomorrow. Thanks again.
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New Member
United States
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Curiosity always gets me.I agree 100 % this was not an error coin and was someone's poor attempt to create one. I disagree that it was done in a vise. I have a hydraulic press with a 20 ton bottle jack. I layed out two pennies reverse over overse and sandwiched that between a thick flat piece of cast iron and a thick piece of smooth aluminum. I pressed this together till it was tweaking the heck out of my press. Here is what I come up with. It did not leave nearly as deep an impression as the coin that this topic is about. Anyway thanks again to everyone for the education. BTW I will be destroying these coins simply to keep them from getting back out and someone trying to pass them off as legit error coins.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Note the reverse? Note how it was affected. Thus when the people use 3 cents to sandwich the center one, the damage doesn't show as much. This can also be done at a construction site with two pieces of wood and a big hammer. This can be damaged that way with multiple coins. But also not as strong as the the ones with a vise. The squeeze is a lot stronger in a vise.  04 |
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