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1945 S - Micro S?

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Sorry to post another one of these micro s questions. I have 2 here, and the one on the left's S looks bigger than the right one's. Is the right one a micro s?

And what's the rage over these? Can someone tell me the story?

1945-S---Micro-S?

And what's the difference between full bands and non full bands? And is the right one full, too?
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In my opinion, I would say the one on the left is regular and the one on the right is a micro. But thats only my opinion and I'm not an expert.
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 Posted 02/26/2009  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a good comparison picture that SuperDave attached to a thread recently for a regular vs. micro S:

https://goccf.com/t/43140

I am not an expert, but I also agree with ErrorCoins222. I believe the one on the right is a micro S.

Full bands refer to the horizontal bands on the reverse being completely separated. Although all 3 of the bands need to be separated, the focus is on the middle band. Since this is the highest point of the reverse often times when Mercury dimes were struck, the silver never fully flowed into this top part of the band in the die which resulted in the middle band appearing as one thick band as opposed to two split bands.

Neither of your dimes have full split bands. Please refer to the above link for a picture of what full split bands look like. Hope that helps.
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oh I see... I thought bands were the sticks.

I have both varieties of 1945s!
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Neither one appears to be the Micro S. I've heard different stories about the Micro S but probably not true. From what I've also heard, no one really knows why. Also, note there are numerous others in that series being found.
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I would say that neither one of them is the Micro S
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oh... well, why does the design+lettering of the coin on the left seem wider than those of the one on the right?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Mercury-dime-19...DE_W0QQitemZ160317581511QQihZ006QQcategoryZ41092QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That looks like a micro s, but I am with just carl. I don't really understand the micro s thing. I mean there are so many errors in that series with rotated reverses, multi size mint marks, and etc. Why is the 1945 micro so special?

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Doesn't look like micro-S to me. It is higher than the one on the right.


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Why is the 1945 micro so special?


It is simply a recognized variety, and is considered to be the smallest MM of any MM in the Mercury dime series.

But I didn't know about recent finds...have mint marks as small as that one been found?
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I think the 41 has a micro too. The whole series is nuts. If you look at the back pages of my dansco, then you would think I was crazy. The reverses are all rotated. Most of the coins don't have FSB due to weak strike. The 42 has over dates the P and D ones.

I am really attempted to send my 1943 d to be graded. It has FSB and I can't find a bag mark on it.... I wonder if it would get MS-68 FSB.....

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I am with just carl. I don't really understand the micro s thing. I mean there are so many errors in that series with rotated reverses, multi size mint marks, and etc. Why is the 1945 micro so special?


Your kidding. All it takes is for Whitman Publishing in their Red Book to list something and the entire world thinks it is a fantasticallllllly rare coin.
And yes when you turn the page on any Album of Mercury dimes you think your drunk. Probably 25% are all rotated. The odd thing about that is Whitman's famous Red Book on pages 401 and up for error coins missed that.
As for the different Mint marks, they are appearing differently on many more years now that people are looking. Might have something to do with what the Mint workers had for lunch.
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I agree with Carl, neither is a micro-s. Please look at this photo, I made comparing a micro-s and
normal-S. The easiest way to cherrypick is to look at the distance between the leaf and the the
mint mark S.( red arrows). Small distance = large S, more distance =micro-s.


1945-S---Micro-S?

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OK, I see the difference. Guess they're just normal 1945s, then. :(
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sometimes I get over whelmed with all the different variety's out there
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That is what makes the fun for variety freaks !

The micro-s also has trumpet like serifs, and the normal (large) S has a knob like serif.
It seems that when put into circulation a large number of the micro-S made their way to San
Diego. About 15 years ago I bought a 2x2 box of them from a SD old timer for almost silver
value. He said they came from a large hoard of them. Ah, the good old days.


Jim
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