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New Member
United States
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Hi All, When I first came across this penny, I thought it must have been damaged in a vending machine or something like that. However, after taking a closer look, it seems like this could have happened during the minting process. For example, while "UNUM" lettering is raised, it remains copper colored while the space around it seems to be stripped of plating. I'm inclined to think that post-mint damage would have stripped this raised lettering as well. Additionally, there are Cuds present in addition to what seems like a slanted letter "I" between "OF" and "AMERICA", and what look like several shadow letters in that general area. I'd very much appreciate your thoughts on what happened to this penny. Thanks much!       |
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Moderator
 United States
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My vote is PMD. I see no Cuds,also Cuds always include the rim.Where are you seeing Cuds? John1  |
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United States
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@ms3, I think that your first instinct was correct—the exposed zinc on the rev is due to mechanical damage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree, just PMD.  to the CCF! |
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New Member
 United States
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As far as Cuds go, there is a raised irregular "chunk" of metal on the edge of the shield past the "M" in "UNUM" at the next-to-last picture that the arrow is pointing to. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Much post-strike damage, no Cuds. That feature on the edge of the shield may be a circulation hit or die ding. |
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New Member
United States
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Thanks for your replies. I'm still puzzled since I think the original damage seems to be due to heat. Zinc would melt before the copper plating which may explain why there is zinc neatly pooled around the raised copper lettering in "UNUM". I'm not sure as to how many occasions of heat damage would there be post-mint unless someone deliberately took a torch to it or threw it into a fire, but in that case I think there would be much less of this coin that remains preserved, i.e. there would be more mangling and discoloration. ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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to the CCF!  with the other members, this is just damage. I did want to point out the letters of E PLURIBUS UNUM are not raised on shield cents, they are incuse. The copper on these letters is below the surrounding area. I can also see the area you are pointing out as a Cud, but it's not near the rim, so it's not a Cud. ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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United States
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sanded down - so I agree with the other statements up above.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sanded. If it was heated enough to melt the zinc, it would destroy the coin. |
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New Member
United States
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Thank you all for your helpful comments and @Yokozuna for pointing out that the wording on the shield is incuse- I previously thought otherwise. I'm still puzzled as to what seems to be like a slanted letter "I" between "OF" and "AMERICA" (third pic from top and second pic from bottom). I thought if subjected to heat, it may be something like a ripple in plating. Now that it doesn't seem likely that the penny was subjected to excessive heat, I'm not sure what could have caused it.
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Forum Dad
United States
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I'm not sure what could have caused it. If it can't happen during the minting process, it doesn't matter how it happened. |
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United States
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to the CCF. Damaged coin, does not matter how specifically the damage occurred. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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... I'm still puzzled as to what seems to be like a slanted letter "I" between "OF" and "AMERICA" (third pic from top and second pic from bottom)... Possibly a die gouge but more likely it's a plating bubble/blister. I agree with wear from sanding/abrasion but as fine as it is it may have been super fine grit. What I find interesting is the colors of ATES in image #4. There is the obvious copper color of the plating and the darker gray of the zinc. I'm curious about what the white color represents. I wonder if that could be evidence of something applied to the zinc core to help the copper bind during the plating process. Hmmm... Does anyone know if something like that is used in the plating process? Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Not damage from heat. Heat usually bubbles the metal. I agree with the above, looks to be intentionally grinned down. Post mint damage.  |
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