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Counterfeit Gold Dollar (1852)

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Came across a counterfeit Gold Dollar, 1854. Plating has chipped of the rear and given how small they are, it is really hard to tell the core material. Non-magnetic so I'll assume lead. Opinions welcome.

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DOCC, can you post full pictures of both obverse and reverse? Thank you.
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Apologies but 1852, you can see that is what someone etched on the back :-) Had to get home after work to get it back under the scope.

Smallest US coin ever made so none of this visible to the naked eye. Can barely make it out with a loupe.

A number of different shots with varying lighting. There was actually a couple of flecks of gold on my base stand as it is still flaking.

Weight is 6.5% shy
Diameter is 2% over.

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Oh dear, Docc. I hope you weren't taken for much on this fake. The reverse is simply atrocious.
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Nah, CC charges already reversed. Barely went over $200 but this guy monkeyed with the wrong person. Already working with the auction platform to get him banned (HiBid). Filing complaints with ACEF and going to contact Secret Service field office tomorrow (not sure what they can/will do).

But here is the kicker, he basically admitted he knew it was counterfeit by photoshopping the reverse to hide the exposed lead and all defects. Probably spent more time photoshopping than it was worth...and probably did not think I had access to a microscope and Sigma.
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I've "won" auctions on HiBid, but not dealing with them anymore. It seems that every coin or bill has hidden defects not apparent in the auction pics. And some of the sellers will wallop you with exorbitant shipping/handling fees. There are no "bargains" to be found there.
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Sounds like you have this under control, which is good. Since you have access to a scale, have you thought about performing a specific gravity test to figure out what metal it is?
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I have not Spence but I assume I'd need to know plating depth and if it was equal on both sides. Visually it appears to be lead, I do know is it isn't 90/10 gold to copper.
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