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Ethiopian Obverse, Austrian Reverse. What Is This?

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Hey everyone,

I have this coin with an Ethiopian obverse and an Austrian Thaler reverse. I know the Maria theresia Thalers were circulated in this part of the world and this may have been some type of trade coinage/token/medallion but I'm wondering if anyone knows something more specific about this piece.
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Seems like a fantasy strike, combining designs of two different coins as you note. Can you please add the weight and diameter of this piece to this thread plus a description of the edge? Finally, can you please let us know if a magnet is attracted to it? Thx. At best, this may be worth bullion value.
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Both designs are too crude to be genuine coins - this is a "fantasy replica", not entirely unlike the fantasy replicas coming out of China - except this one is presumably home-grown in the Red Sea / Horn of Africa region, where both the Ethiopian and Austrian coins were in use.

It was probably specifically made for mounting into jewellery, a common fate of the genuine coins. I suspect that genuine coins are getting harder to come by, with all the wars and turmoil in that region in the past few decades, so it wouldn't surprise me if local imitations are being made. Is there any sign on the edge of your piece that it was mounted? The marks on the rim of the obverse at 10 o'clock and 7 o'clock are all I can see pointing to that. East African coin jewellery tends to use multiple mount-marks.
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There's a book out there on Ethiopian coins that might touch on this exact coin type. I don't remember how it was described, but maybe a contemporary counterfeit? Or a simple fantasy, I'm not too sure. Ethiopian birrs aren't the rarest coins out there, but many are found with mounting marks. I'm not too sure which tribe(s) in the region carry out this practice, but it's definitely worth looking into.

I met a fellow recently who was from Ethiopia and asked him about why these coins were mounted, and who carried out the practice. We didn't go so much into detail, but he mentioned that many people there would wear the coins as a sign of respect to the leadership back in the day, or even later. A lot of Maria Theresa thalers can also be found with evidence of mounting (presumably from the region), so maybe there are a myriad of reasons why people will wear such coins.

He also told me that alot of the old silver Ethiopian coins that come on the market were probably looted at one time or another. That region has a long history of wars, revolutions, and famines. Too bad it's impossible to trace where every single example has been.
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