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It doesn't look right to me. I think it may be a copy. Also looks lightly polished.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
12/27/2022 8:34 pm
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Photos make it look like it was polished. Can you get a picture of the obverse with less shadow?
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"It doesn't look right to me. I think it may be a copy. Also looks lightly polished." I agree and noticed what appears to be polishing to me as well.
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I decided to dip a couple of my toned coins for fun for the purpose of education that's how I found this one and was amazed at how flawless it was.  Edited by Shtiv
12/27/2022 8:46 pm
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Did you look in VAM? heckofa clash mark on the reverse. The milling looks like genuine US Mint-supplied milling... Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/27/2022 8:47 pm
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Shtive, there are many things that raise a red flag for me. It seems that the shape of the breast and the interior wing feathers are very wrong. Also, the denticles are irregular around the circumference of the coin. Compare yours to the following. Also, do you have weight/diameter measurements for it? If it were me, I would return it to the LCS. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin/1883-o-1/7146Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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"Did you look in VAM? heckofa clash mark on the reverse. The milling looks like genuine US Mint-supplied milling..." I looked up VAM's on vamworld.com, looks like there is only one VAM on there for 1883-o and it does not match this clash. I have also compared it to another 1883-o I have and to ones on PCGS.com. Edited by Shtiv
12/27/2022 9:00 pm
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I compared dimensions to my other 1883o and they appear very similar in dimension.  |
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This coin has been stripped of its original surfaces. Would be best to return the coin if you can. It is a common date morgan with impaired surfaces.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I'd try to match the clash-and one that sharp may have had a deleterious effect on the Eagle in the die
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Weight Tolerance just inside that for a US Silver Dollar, but the weight is still high enough to check the alloy. The easiest way to do that is with a comparative ping tone test against another silver dollar. But I think coin still OK, if you take any minor scale error into account, and so it leads me to think some sort of surface alteration (cleaning?), accounts for it's appearance.
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I have never been good at the ping test. The dealer will be back today, I will swing in when he opens his doors. Cleaned/polished would make sense due to the dark toning it had. If it has been cleaned/polished what is the best thing to do with the coin? There would be no point sending it into PCGS would there? Can PCGS conservation do anything with it?
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The issue you have here is that PCGS grading and conservation would cost more than the price of a nice choice BU 1883-O Morgan. If that is the case, why not just purchase a nice choice BU 1883-O Morgan and keep this coin as a pocket piece? No matter what PCGS does to try to conserve the coin, the result is not going to be nearly as nice as a nice original choice BU Morgan.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Is PCGS or any of the other conservation programs able to cover up/fix polishing and cleaning?
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They can not turn back time
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