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Ethiopia 1 Birr (Lion's Right Foreleg Raised) Found In A Collection Today.

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 Posted 01/04/2023  09:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone,

I bought a collection today of mostly old bronze and copper coins. This coin was in the box. I come across 2-3 fakes of these a month in Rome. The fakes do not weigh right, show signs of casting, and never ping as silver.

This coin weights 28.0x, looks good under a loupe, shows circulation wear vs forced patina, and pings authentic on my app under the ' Morgan dollar' setting.

I'm looking for any confirmation and exact attribution...after seeing so many fakes of this coin I'm guardedly optimistic on this one...

I'll probably post some more finds from the collection when I go through it tonight. I paid a price that even if this is fake I won't be out much.

Thank you all! Again and always!

Best,r.


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 Posted 01/24/2023  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.ebay.com/itm/401712526735

http://goccf.com/t/182770#1685025

Our member Sap has an idea when he said if there are dots on top of the crown and not shape of crosses it is fake. Your coin does not have dots. It might be real.

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01/24/2023 6:12 pm
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 Posted 01/24/2023  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, they're different coin types, but the basic principle remains: "Chinese counterfeits", which form the bulk of the fake dollar market these days, usually have subtly "wrong" designs.

Which this specific coin shows no signs of, from these pics. If it's a fake, it's a "better than average" fake.

It is also reasonable to find these Ethiopian dollars just turning up in random assortments of coins more often in Italy than you would elsewhere in the West, because of Italy's complicated colonial history with that part of eastern Africa.
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 Posted 01/25/2023  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @sap and Saturn. I have probably handled two dozen fakes of this coin. Unfortunately, and apparently, it's perfectly legal (or once was perfectly legal, in Italy to produce fakes as long as they were underweight by x.
This coin does not match any fakes I found online and presents remarkably different than the other fakes I have handled.

Out if curiosity, why do you think this coin was so heavily faked? It's a €50-60 coin if authentic.
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01/25/2023 03:01 am
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 Posted 01/31/2023  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andi10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,all of you!
This coin looks to me (very) genuine and silver made. Preservation(quality) condition is good,I may say a VF35 or XF40. But... the coin has a large,nasty damage on the edge: it has a small part cut off!? Or,I don't see well?!? If such a damage is present,value drops dramaticaly down to the coin's silver content.
Andi
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01/31/2023 11:26 am
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 Posted 01/31/2023  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Andi,

The coin is perfectly in tact. I clipped some of the image when fitting the photo to show the detail.

Thanks for your confirmation! And welcome to the forum; people are great here.
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For ''Roma2021'':

I also thank you for your kind

My opinion is that your coin's value/price may be around 100 usd. If you don't have,I send you the values given by KM ''Standard Catalogue of World Coins'':

Andi

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