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1923-S Buffalo Nickel

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Hey folks

Let's see your comments on this one and what you think it grades.

Thanks!



1923-S-Buffalo-Nickel


1923-S-Buffalo-Nickel
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 Posted 01/06/2023  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nemlas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G6 would be my grade for it
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I'll say VG-10.
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 Posted 01/06/2023  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JTCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say G-6.
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G-06 Very rough looking coin , possibly cleaned .
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 Posted 01/06/2023  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Usual crappy strike. 2/3 horn, F-15 straight grade.
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VG10 could do it for me...just.
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I wouldn't argue with F-12, but don't see 2/3 horn.
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 Posted 01/08/2023  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wideglide to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hair is weak, horn is barely there. I'm at VG-8.
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i miss fortcollins assessments of these. I learned a huge amount from his comments. there is so much that went on with some of these years with die matching and polishing its a real challenge separating wear from this.

I'm with coinfrog F12. one the key areas I hone in on is to compare the top of the feathers looking for the sharpness and definition where the feathers cross compared to the photograde. on a VG coin this is way more flat than what we see here so that put me in the F range. reverse looks like a later die state. the separation of the back fur from the body is more defined than a VG and theres a little more horn than a VG also
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This one is LDS/VLDS obverse and VLDS reverse, hence the mushy devices and lack of detail. Strike really isn't bad, and actually looks above average for the year. To determine this I'm focusing on the feathers and the hair above the knot. Typically you don't see as much hair definition in the area just above the knot. Still, worn out dies have created weakness in the end of the second feather, and some roundness to the hair, and Buffalo as well. All that said, I'd say a technical F15, but would net down to F12 for overall affect of die state.
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 Posted 01/09/2023  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

1923-S-Buffalo-Nickel

For reference, above is a PCGS example in MS. The reverse of yours is even later die state than the above. Notice the relatively solid strike, but lack of detail in the ends of the feathers, and flatness to the buffalos head (due to late die state). Horn is barely "full". Wouldn't take much wear for this one to start to look more circulated than it is. A low AU example, in this die state, would probably exhibit details of a high VF example in an earlier die state. Also, due to Die Deterioration, the portion of the lettering closest to the rim loses definition. There is less relief from the devices to the field, and metal flow lines are more prominent. Again, as this coin wears, those devices on the outer edge will more quickly blend into the field and rim. Giving the effect of more wear.

Rambling over.
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i miss fortcollins assessments of these

Where is fortcollins? I haven't seen him around in a while.
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 Posted 01/10/2023  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the additional insight for this one Ty2020b. add that to the knowledge base. I was going to push this one to F15 but the overall look of the coin I knocked it a tad.

new members take note. these are not a straight forward series using photograde to grade them.
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This is exactly why I posted this one up, I knew this one was perfect for educational purposes.

I'm glad TY was here to back me up.

I have this one at F15.

Like Panzaldi says, take note folks.
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