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Valued Member
Canada
241 Posts |
I recently slow down on buying for my collection. Not because of the recession but because I almost completed my collection of silver maple leaf .... just couple more and I am gonna start a new one ... still have no idde on what its gonna be tho... silver dollar maybe.. already have 4 ..
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
"What's coming is different than a recession" Very true, mkb. Few people grasp the scope of what is really happening right now.
As an example, the notional value of outstanding derivatives has been quoted at or above one thousand trillion dollars, more commonly expressed as one quadrillion dollars. The DOW has lost of 50% from it's peak. 31.8 million Americans are on food stamps. One in three doesn't have a health plan. This is the "perfect financial storm".
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Valued Member
United States
324 Posts |
Yep. Americans complain about how bad it is in the USA, with few aware of what is happening globally. And despite how bad it is in the USA, the problems are mild compared with what is happening elsewhere. I told a few folks just how bad the job losses were in Canada (on a per capita basis) and they were shocked. Yet even Canada's problems are mild compared with Europe, Asia and South and Central America. There so many complex imbalances and they will take years to fix. This is no recession. It would even be nice if it were a depression. But it is something much bigger. There really is nothing in history to compare this with.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
Quote:Tim Stroud: (re: name anything else that's doubled in value since Nov. 2008) The 2008 Burnished ASE "W" Mint. I have a few of those!  Notice that the example of "anything else" is also a 'numismatic' item!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2224 Posts |
Almost all of my collecting comes from searching bank rolls, cherrypicking the "goodies" and selling what I find. So far, I am keeping having to get a part-time job off the table by doing this. And, roll-searching should get even better, because a lot of those cans and jars of coins sitting around houses for years gathering dust are finding their way into Coinstars all North America thanks to the current recession/depression.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1840 Posts |
I have been doing less impulse buying and trying to adhere to my budget more. This is motivated more by my desire to build an addition onto my house than the economy though.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
That's true snowman, there are other priorities for most of us. A couple months of my coin budget are vanishing into my new Core i7 computer build. Coins would be a better investment, but we can't always be logical! mkb - I came across this article last night, thought you might want to give it a read through: http://prudentbear.com/index.php/co...art_id=10199
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
Don't feel too bad, 1cent, a computer is like a car. Not a 'smart investment' per se, but a tool of everyday life. If you get a long useful service life out of either one after you paid for it, that's the best way to get 'your money's worth' out of a 'necessary' expenditure.... I'm also a 'BYOPC' (build your own PC) person.  My big tailfinned collector car sure isn't holding its value nearly as well as coins have, but it's still doing better than the Dow(n) Jones Ind. Avg. and I still have fun driving it on sunny days! (PS: Now that the economy's in the tank, people aren't making unsolicited offers to buy it from me anymore...)
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Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
I am still buying as much junk silver as I can afford, along with increasing my food storage.
I am also going to start buying ammo, now that everybody has cleaned out the shelves and I'll get fresh!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3098 Posts |
I'm selling a lot more these days...
If I'm older I would stock up on some ammunition... I would really like a K31 but... erm... I guess the cheap way for a good looking, reliable, cheap and accurate wood rifle would be a M44... with lots of milsurps...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
The service life you mention was part of my decision for sure, DNA. The LGA 775 socket has served Intel well for a few years, but I imagine LGA 1366 will be the new standard. If I can get two years out of the i7 before I need to swap again, I'll consider it money well spent.
My big-winged modern car hasn't fared so well either the last couple years, but I enjoy driving and owning it, and that's all that matters.
Sorry to the OP for going so far off topic!
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Valued Member
United States
324 Posts |
1cent - I read the article you posted. Its a good one and also a good site. Thanks. The article describes the problems quite well, and what is happening. What is not mentioned and you rarely find it in any commentary is that the only way to restore an economy is to have it create wealth - which can only be done by manufacturing. This is what brought the US out of the Great Depression. WWII forced the US government to ramp up manufacturing on a massive scale. After the war, much of the war related manufacturing converted to producing consumer goods. Little of the Government's current stimulus efforts will be directed in this way because it involves protectionist policies. Worse yet, almost everyone is arguing against protectionist policies - since they were bad in the past. This is only making things worse. That may have been true in the 1930's, but its not true today. And even with a concerted effort at restoring manufacturing, it will take in the area of 10 years or so to bring things back to a reasonable standing. Here's another one from Gerald Celente (and this is not for the faint of heart): http://www.infowars.com/celente-pre...ons-by-2012/I expect commercial real-estate to be a major shoe to drop in 2009. Already there are reports of massive over capacity in former hot markets such as Beijing and Dubai. I am aware of a major commercial development that was completed in 2001 - about a year after the dot.com bust started. Most (or all?) of it is still vacant - 8 years later.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
Commercial RE will for sure be a big one. Then there's the consumer credit card crisis, also yet to be realized. That's a $5 trillion problem of it's own.
I don't think Celente is a prophet of sorts, he just enjoys the rare situation of being able to say what he really thinks, not what is handed to him on a piece of paper or run across a teleprompter. These are not outlandish claims for those that have done their own research without bias.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
636 Posts |
I have had to put my Canadian collecting on hold, as all I need now to complete it are the expensive silver low mintage key dates pre-1899. I've starting collecting something a little less expensive, United States Lincolns (Wheat and memorials all mint marks)in BU, or AU condition.(Red Only) I've got all the cheapies from 1952 to 2008, and have just been plugging away and the earlier ones. What I do got looks sweet, they just scream shine and luster as they are all lined up in their 2 x 2's . Granted, I know things are going to get more expensive as I work backwards, and may need to slowly lower the grade down starting at EF to accommodate my budget. I did nail a 1936P, and 1941P BU, for a buck each. I've been cleaning out the Canadian dealers here in Toronto of all the BU/AU small cents,(believe me, they don't have much) and have been taking advantage of S&H incentives on ebay from the U.S sellers to help minimize the other collecting costs. The way I feel, I know its not going to make me rich and if I don't over pay for too much of anything, I can't really never loose my money. I never thought I would branch out into foreign coins. I even bought the complete US Red Book, and the Lincoln Cent Red Book to read up on all of it. (Looks like I may need to nail down the small and large date varieties-double die?..I dunno) On another note, I'm just amazed at the premium these old small cents obtain, considering the very high millions that were minted. I think its much more invigorating than the Canadian. April 17-19th, has a large coin show in the Buffalo N.Y area, so I think we are going to drive down there and have a look see. (Just trying to come up with a believable story to tell Canadian boarder guards what I did down there for a few hours without having them suspect I was shopping. (Ya know, duty and all that crap)Looking at Niagara Falls from the American side? From what I recall there really isn't much else down there.
Edited by Dollar1948 03/21/2009 09:03 am
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Valued Member
Canada
166 Posts |
Hi,
I have increase buying dramatically as better material has come on the market. I saw (and bought) 2 (of 3 according to the 2009 pop report) ICCS PL66 UHC 1954 dollars last week (yes in one week) and I am a collector (not a dealer).
I also collect watches made of palladium and had not made an original addition to my collection in 2 years but found (and bought) 3 spectacular examples in the last month.
I guess when time get tough the good stuff come out of peoples drawers (or deposit boxes) and comes out onto the market.
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