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I have no interest in the piece. I still consider it to be either a "pattern" or a "private" token of Thomas Jefferson. Either way I don't consider it to be a regular issue.
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I have no interest in the piece. I still consider it to be either a "pattern" or a "private" token of Thomas Jefferson. Either way I don't consider it to be a regular issue  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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I have heard people call it the DEEM and DIS-ME. Both Dictionary.com and Merriam-Webster online have phonetic recordings of the word and it is the same pronunciation on both sites. It is pronounced the same way you would pronounce the word dime today with a silent S. I'm gonna go with the people who study and document the pronunciation of words for a living. Thanks to westcoin as I didn't know that the 1792 book has a census and provenance of all known 1792 [half] dismes. As I am lucky enough to own one I ordered a copy of the book from heritage to see if my coin in catalogued in it. Maybe the next edition will have me on the provenance chain. As usual I have it backwards and bought the book way after buying the coin.  Edit: Meant to say I own a Half Disme. I don't own a 1792 disme - I wish. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
01/19/2023 12:24 pm
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Love the coin. Would love to own one. Maybe someday. Amazing to think of toting around some of Martha Washington's silverware, as doled out by Thomas Jefferson. (Not sure if the silverware thing is a myth, btw.)
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Yes very much so! I never will unless I happen to discover it in a junk auction, but yes I dream about it!
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$9600 (inc fees) with 10 days to go, this could be the most "affordable" specimen we see for a long time ....
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Awesome coin. My dream piece is a bit different. Still in silver though.  |
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And ... SOLD, for $24K, even with a hole almost as big as the coin itself. Think I'll go down to Virginia to metal detect in the woods around Monticello, only way I'm ever getting one of these. |
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Jeesh, just amazed at that.
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Love the coin. Would love to own one. Maybe someday. Amazing to think of toting around some of Martha Washington's silverware, as doled out by Thomas Jefferson. (Not sure if the silverware thing is a myth, btw.) Simply untrue and known to be untrue for decades. President Washington handed out extra duties to his cabinet secretaries... Jefferson was in charge of the mint. Jefferson deposited 75 "Spanish" dollars (Mexican) to be minted into 1500 Half Dismes. The entries are in his day book. He picked up the coins and started home to Monticello, spending them along the journey and all through the summer - many entries are in amounts that would have been impossible to spend via reales and fractions ... 15 cents has to be three Half Dismes, can't make it up from 6.25c eighths of a dollar. When he returned to Philadelphia in the fall, he resumed spending in 1 reale increments. Also highly likely - the first recorded transaction was tipping the stablehands at the inn. Very likely African-American slaves. 35c IIRC. There was a second, smaller coinage in the fall for presentation purposes. Those were mostly saved in higher grades and the dies show signs of rust from storage. But if you have a well-worn 1792 Half Disme, it was almost certainly handled and spent by Thomas Jefferson! -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Yes, old numismatic legends die hard, but a summary of the real story is an interesting read. https://blog.money.org/coin-collect...e-1792-dismeThe first recorded expenditure as tips to "servants" was actually 30 cents. One could speculate that it was one coin each to 6 servants, almost certainly African-American slaves or freed blacks. If only this example could tell us who holed it and wore it. |
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Thanks, yes that was the 2020 post I was thinking of, referencing the 1966 discovery.
If you want to skip the recitation of fanciful recollections not founded in reality, start reading from "Jefferson left Philadelphia with 1,500 coins capable of making change in ways that were entirely novel to the young United States."
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Posted 01/18/2023 5:33 pm
though I'm sure it will still blow through any amount I want to spend.
