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Valued Member
United States
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Hi, I'm new to the forum. Hopefully this is the right sub-forum for this topic. I'm relatively new to coin collecting, but have so far gone through quite a few penny boxes. In that time, I've hoarded about 23.5 kilograms of copper pennies. I guess it made more sense when copper prices were higher, but I'm still getting a ~2.5x multiple right now. The process has been very slow, though, so I'm definitely not looking to retire on this. I guess my question is: Is it still worth hoarding copper pennies? I haven't heard much about peak copper, certainly less than peak silver or peak gold. Copper is a lot more plentiful, but I don't know of any country who's still using solid copper or bronze for coinage. Copper has also been one of the big three monetary metals for the last few thousand years (copper, silver, and gold). If the reset ever happens, could we see countries going back to copper standard, in addition to gold and silver? Right now, I guess collecting copper pennies helps me break even a bit (for my time) if I don't find anything interesting in my coin roll hunts. Also hoping that Congress will do away with the penny soon. I believe when Canada stopped using pennies, the Canadian penny values went up somewhat? Anyways, I'm probably rambling a bit. Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
Cheers!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe if they do away with the penny, they'll allow people to melt them down. Long term, you'll probably break even or lose money because of inflation. If it makes you happy, hoard them. There's worse things you could do with your time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've dumped gallons of them over the past couple of years. Folks on the forum have convinced me it wouldn't be worthwhile to take up the space. It's a personal decision, of course.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorta like looking for aluminum cans to turn in, maybe worse. I see no point.
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 United States
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I only hoard them to prevent them from being melted. 
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Valued Member
 United States
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@captainmandrake1 I would think inflation would do the opposite? If we have more inflation, then commodity prices, including copper, would rise? I'm most likely not going to melt them down - still need to look through them for varieties, all 7,500+ of them, LOL!
@Bump111 I think I'm still going to keep them. Even if they get to 5 cents in the future, that's a guaranteed 400% return on investment, which would be only possible with a risk-on asset like Bitcoin. Yes, this may be a first, but I'm comparing hoarding copper pennies to crypto, LOL!
Also, does anyone know how to do quotes? Can't seem to find a button for it.
Cheers!
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 United States
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Quote: Also, does anyone know how to do quotes? Can't seem to find a button for it. How to QuoteIf you are using the Quick Reply box... 1. Type [quote]
2. Paste the text you want to quote
3. Then type [/quote] If you are using the Reply to Topic link... 1. Paste the text you want to quote 2. Highlight it 3. Then press the 'Insert Quote' button:  So this... [qu ote]Quoted Text[/qu ote] Looks like this... Quote: Quoted Text
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Valued Member
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@jbuck Perfect, thank you!
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Insane waste of time. Do the math.  to the CCF!
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 United States
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Not worth the time and effort to hoard copper cents.Simple as that. John1 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I only hoard them to prevent them from being melted. This is my main motivation. I don't go through boxes but if I come across them in change, they get rolled up and stored with their friends in the basement.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I used to hoard them same as you, kept them in a 5 gallon pail - took almost a decade to fill it. When the pail got full, it was impossible to move and I had it sitting next to my coin work area. Decided to try my hand selling during "peak copper" and sold a few copper box lots and made next to nothing for all the effort hassle.
After clearer and rational thought - eventually I took it out in like 5 different trips to the Coinstar in exchange for home depot gift cards (no fee). In the end, I was GLAD to be rid of them. IMO, considering all the time and trouble I spent I spent messing with them, it was not worth keeping them for any kind of "return". I have better things to do with my time and better things to put in the space they consumed.
The sad fact is it's still just copper, one of earth's most abundant resources. There's plenty of it to go around but it's well exceeded it's usefulness for minor coinage. In today's world is makes ZERO sense we have to waste resources moving copper cents around. After you mess with enough of them, I think you'll come to agree.
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Quote: ...but I don't know of any country who's still using solid copper or bronze for coinage. Japan is the only one I can think of. The 10 yen coin is solid bronze, and hasn't changed size or composition since 1951. There's still only about 3 cents worth of bronze in the 10 yen coin (face value equivalent of about 8 US cents), so there's minimal pressure to change it yet. Quote: If the reset ever happens, could we see countries going back to copper standard, in addition to gold and silver? There has never really been a "copper standard" for coinage. Even in ancient times, copper coins were somewhat of a token coinage, with people not really expecting them to contain "full metal value". It's true that people generally did find bigger, heavier copper coins to be "more trustworthy", all other things being equal, but there was little pressure to conform to any kind of "international copper standard". Copper coins simply didn't travel as much as silver and gold did, the copper coinages tended to be locally produced and locally used. And copper didn't travel for much the same reason that it's foolish to try to use copper as a store of wealth today: it's simply too bulky. Quote: I believe when Canada stopped using pennies, the Canadian penny values went up somewhat? The difference is, the Canadian government actively withdrew and destroyed them, generating profit for itself from the sale of the scrap metal. Most other countries do likewise. But in recent years the American government has proven itself to be curiously reluctant to destroy its own obsolete coinage for profit. In terms of income generated from bronze coins found during coin roll hunting, you're probably much better off selling them straight away to some other fool who's hoarding copper coins, and using the money to buy other things. If you want a metal that will be truly valuable when the New Dark Age arrives, can I suggest hoarding aluminium instead? Aluminium ore is cheap and abundant, but you can't simply refine it like gold, silver or copper; to turn it into metal you need electricity, and a source of cryolite. And we've already mined all of the naturally occurring cryolite from the planet, back in the 1960s. If you already have a large quantity of aluminium metal you can use it to make synthetic cryolite, but if we ever run out of both aluminium and cryolite, we're sunk. So in the New Dark Age, any surviving pieces of aluminium will become a precious resource, because nobody will be able to make it, and by the time civilization climbs back up to the electricity age again, there won't be any cryolite around to make more aluminium, and most of the aluminium which our civilization just leaves lying around in the open air will have corroded and dissolved in the rain.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
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$25.00 of copper pennies is roughly 16 pounds. If you decide to melt them down yourself it is legal but you can't sell the coppers because now it is illegal. Once you decide to melt them the copper must stay in your possession. Sounds dumb. $25.00 of pennies melts down to be worth about $35.00 worth of copper. Only problem is you spend your time and about $10.00 in gas to melt them down. Thus making the venture non-profitable. Now if you decide to sell them and have time on your hands, a lot of people have gotten decent money for them but that is finding the right person on E-Bay to buy them. Myself I just save them to collect for the future. Why, I do not know. Maybe ten years from now there will be a good price on them. Good luck.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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i keep them. its a super safe long term speculation.
everyone talks about meting them. nobody talks about melting 90% silver coins. or pre 33 gold. I believe they will be worth more than metal content as coins just like every us minted gold and silver coin.
they wont be worth less than a penny as long as they can be spent. after the inevitable melt rush the decrease in supply will cause the coins themselves to pop up to 5 or 10 or maybe even 25c. on that day ill get to buy a fancy dinner or something. or maybe ill be dead before it happens. thats ok too. then someone else can lug that giant bag of change to the bank.
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 United States
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I have several small boxes of Lincoln cents - each box weighs about 5 pounds each.
They all make great door stops. (one box behind the door to keep the knob from hitting the wall, and one in front of the door to keep it open.)
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