Unsure Of This One - Probably Mamluk

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Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2870 Posts	Posted 01/20/2023 06:22 am Can anyone help identify this copper please? many thanks weight is 2.53. 18mm My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 01/20/2023 07:05 am Seems like a decent match for Hajji II, but I'd really like confirmation from @kushan @andy or someone else with more knowledge. Here is a link for a comparison coin: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3953159 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2870 Posts	Posted 01/20/2023 08:01 am Many thanks Spence. I think you're right. The right image needs rotated about 100 degrees My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2870 Posts	Posted 01/20/2023 08:28 am This is a Zeno reference https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=294906 Interestingly that source seems to attribute all these coins to the 2nd reign rather than the 1st reign attribution in the Agora Auctions example. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 01/21/2023 07:05 am The good news is that you seem to be right by type. The bad news is that both the ruler's name and the date are off flan. On the reverse, the mint name Dimashq is legible inside the star. The date, written out in words in the margin, is completely missing. On the obverse, the words in large letters across the center are al-sultan al-malik. Not much help. The name Hajji should be in the lower section but alas it is missing. According to Balog, the upper section should read al-Mansur and on a couple of the coins at Zeno it does clearly. On yours and some of the others at Zeno, it's something different but exactly what I'm not certain. None are clear. Perhaps al-Mansur preceded by another word? Regarding 1st or 2nd reign, Balog lists them under the 2nd (p. 246, #532 dated 791 and #533 dated 792). The absolute determiner would be the date. Frankly none of the coins have a legible date. Also, it seems that the laqab al-Mansur was adopted for the 2nd reign. [edit] On the Agora coin, the left image (obverse) is upside-down. On the op, the left image (reverse) should be rotated 120 degrees clockwise. Edited by Kushanshah 01/21/2023 07:13 am Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2870 Posts	Posted 01/22/2023 04:41 am Thanks very much for that very comprehensive reply. A pity it couldn't be nailed down completely - but still a great description of what it is and from what time and place it came from. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
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