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Valued Member
United States
397 Posts |
I had been buying sterling (92.5%), coin (90%), continental (80%), and other types of non-999 antique silver, but I stopped at the end of 2022, due to silver prices becoming too high. My dollar cost average is a little over $18 an ounce, which isn't too shabby considering the fluctuations in the spot price. In 2023, I'm planning to switch to 999 silver bullion and possibly junk silver (either 90% US or 80% Canadian), mainly due to the wife thinking I wouldn't be able to trade a pair of sterling silver shakers for some meat/sugar/flour if/when the time calls for it. Happy wife, happy life, so I'm switching to bullion or junk. Anyway, silver spot price has been hovering around $24 lately, up significantly from around $18 just a few months ago. Luckily, premiums have come down a bit, but overall price is still pretty high. I'm not looking to buy American Eagles, which are still insanely expensive, just the lowly Buffalos or even something like Apmex-branded rounds would be fine. I'm not really into the larger bars, because I'm more interested in fractional silver, ones that you can more easily spend when the need arises. But now the rounds are at least $3 or $4 above spot, making it $28 or so, which is a lot higher than what it used to be. I think last year, there was a deal on Walmart from APMEX, where you could get 10 rounds for almost $20 an ounce, with free shipping, no sales tax, and 5% cash back if you use a Walmart credit card. That deal is no longer available, unfortunately, or rather a lot more expensive - I guess they got smart. So I guess my question is, do you see silver spot going back down to $18 in 2023, which would likely make $20 retail silver available again? I know there are a lot of differing views on this, and predicting the future is not an exact science, but wanted to pose this interesting question, anyway. For me personally, I'm hoping silver spot will come down, because I'm still in the market to pick up more, but I know there are people who are hoping the price will continue to go up, especially if they bought in at the peak, or are looking at it as an investment. With the dollar weakening relatively (from 110+ DXY to 102) against a basket of other fiat currencies, and the BRICS nations loading up on silver and gold, and investors potentially continuing their flight to safety in precious metals, and the loss of confidence in crypto, a lot could be said for the upward momentum in the price of silver going forward. However, you also got headwinds in the stock market like margin calls and short covering with gold and silver futures (if the market continues to nosedive), a rising interest rate making precious metals less attractive, and a looming recession (and unemployment) eating away at industrial and retail demand for silver and gold, the future of silver price is still very uncertain. So which forces do you think will win out in 2023? Will silver dip to $18 again? Would you jump back into the market for $20 silver at retail, provided you still have a job by then? Like I said, no one can predict the future, but these are interesting questions to ask. Cheers! Edited by AllSeasons 01/21/2023 7:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7273 Posts |
No one can predict the future, but my personal opinion is that silver have been cheap for a long time so some upward movement is expected, but long term is unknown. Silver went to the $40's in 2011 (stayed high for 3 years and then ranked), it could go that high or higher but like in 2013-15 it tanked, same May happen again.
Buy if you feel the price is good, don't if you don't.
Silver long term has been a terrible investment (well technically it's not an investment). Silver is cheaper now (with inflation) compared to 20 years ago.
I have a small stash for no other reason than I like shiny money. But it's not what I would call an investment.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: No one can predict the future hfjacinto, in '21 or earlier '22 the "experts" at Kitco were predicting (based on all sorts of fancy graphs and such) that silver would stay below $20 for several years. And yet here we are. Quote: I wouldn't be able to trade a pair of sterling silver shakers for some meat/sugar/flour if/when the time calls for it AllSeasons, it seems that you're planning for an EOTWAWKI scenario. In such a case, precious metals will cease to have much value. Stock up on ammo, water purification equipment, seeds, and fertilizer instead.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
Spot price maybe, but the physical price due to premiums will be well above $20/ounce.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1648 Posts |
Quote: No one can predict the future  Magic 8 ball: Hold my beer...  There can always be an individual or a store potentially selling lower at a given moment than market due to needing cash or getting some amazing bulk deal.. As they say on tattooine in the mandalorian in that case "Every once in awhile, both suns shine on a womp rat's tail" and you should pick it up, but its likely that you will find escalating prices for the most part in most cases. Currently its also very interesting to see even some no mintage limit generic rounds also selling at a decent profit over cost due to the current demand for silver in general and I think people may be caught offguard about the pricing creeping upward as demand rises and availability declines (=Numismatic Value increase). Bullion premiums are quite sensitive to physical supply and demand so they can creep up even if the paper spot price remains low. If you cant decide you can always buy at regular intervals over an extended period of time to gain an averaged price. This means that the overall purchase price is not heavily influenced by a purchase on a particular day or month.
Edited by datadragon 01/21/2023 10:25 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
@Hondo Boguss I'm prepping mostly for a hyperinflation scenario, which is actually not that impossible, if the US dollar were to lose reserve currency status. Agreed that it's also important to stock up on food, water, ammo, etc., but it's a lot more fun to buy silver :-)
@CoinHunter53562 @datadragon I have a slightly different view on the correlation between spot price and retail physical silver price. I think there is a strong correlation between the two, even though there may be a time lag. Historically, the increases in premium oftentimes do not make up for the decreases in spot price; hence, the overall price that consumers pay still tends to come down when the spot price comes down. The past few years have been strange, because there is a supply issue, especially on Eagles and rounds. But I don't know if there is an equally large supply shortfall on bars, especially the larger ones. To be honest, my prediction is that physical silver price will come down significantly due to the looming recession, if we're not already in one. When people start losing their jobs, they will not only not buy silver, they will need to start selling to make ends meet, which will drive down the price further. Silver, like electronics or clothes or other goods, are not essential to the necessities of everyday life, like food, water, energy, and shelter are. Silver will be one of the first things that people cut out when the going gets tough, because at the end of the day, you can't eat or drink silver, it won't keep you warm, and it can't shield you from the elements. I think once the recession gathers more steam (on top of inflation), which I think it will, and the current jobs and job openings start vanishing (already starting), people will unfortunately not be able to buy physical silver anymore, especially at these prices.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
A rational method to decide when to buy or silver: Overlay the inflation chart on the spot price silver chart. Buy when the silver price is above the inflation line, Sell when the silver price is below it. Allow for buy / sell spreads and premiums.
Possible to work the stock market index funds in the same way. Useful if you self manage your stock market index investments within the superannuation tax environment.
Both not a gamble, and not a form of speculation.
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Valued Member
United States
240 Posts |
I am new to stacking, and have been buying the last couple of months and will continue all year, if the price goes down, I will be able to get more for my money, goal is to have 300 ounces in 2 years.
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Moderator
 United States
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If I knew the answer was yes, I would sell all my silver now, and buy it again when it was $20.
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Valued Member
Canada
66 Posts |
That's a lot to think about I just bought 16 oz with out thinking but it is some cool silver stack on
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
Silver just had a mini crash today, before recovering some. I think it's on its way to retracing back to $20, but that's just me :-)
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
24939 Posts |
Article on Fox Financial earlier today: "expert" says silver is going to $36 within a year. Personally, I think they're all spitting in the wind to see what happens.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Valued Member
United States
283 Posts |
@Hondo didn't the "so called experts" predict 50 bucks an ounce last year? Maybe I am not recalling it correctly but though I saw something on one of the big dealers sites.
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Valued Member
 United States
397 Posts |
Personally, I'm bearish on silver in the short term (due to recession), but bullish on it in the long term (inflation).
Cheers!
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