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Indian Copper-Nickel Cent 1859 - 1864

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I just purchased my last one to complete this " sub - set " and man am I glad to be off of the ebay train messing with these .

I was shopping for middle of the road examples and I got some fair deals on some nice coins . The last and most difficult was 1862 , man I just settled for one that was priced decent with no major problems so that I can move on to other things. Going into this I was worried about 1860 " Pointed " and 1864 but both of these were reasonable . If I ever shop for these again it will be for slabbed items in hopes of a more even pricing model. 1862 cents do not contain gold fellers.
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How about some pics?



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After looking at the Indian cent Collection thread I did not entertain the thought of posting photo's , lol. I don't have the extremely rare 1862 in hand yet but I'll see if I can get a decent shot of them when it arrives.
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Thanks for that link John1 . I need to put these under the scope and see if I have any of these.
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Very nice to assemble the short set...

The 1862 is actually not rare, but the 1861 is the best date in the short set. The 1860 pointed bust is one of the scarcer varieties. The 1864-L is of the next set in the bronze coins.
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Yeah for some reason or another 1862 was the hardest date to fill for my criteria. Maybe it was timing or something , but the items in the price range that I was shopping either had serious issues or were priced 30 percent higher than I expected. If I look a couple of weeks from now it will probably be different.

And I'm glad I'm not shopping for the 1864 L , those prices are all over the place. It's interesting how the design went back to Pointed .

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FYI, ALL IHC's from 1865 to 1909 have the "L". What makes the bronze 1864 "L" rare is that the design changed later in 1864 to include the "L", which the designer Longacre added. While we don't know exactly when in 1864 the design changed, or how many of each were made, the earlier 1864 bronze "NO L" version is found in much greater supply, making the "L" version of the 1864 bronze rarer and more expensive!

Here's mine. Rick Snow says this RB coin, which I bought in a Stacks auction, is 90% red.


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That 1864 coin is fantastic ( not sure how to quote on here yet ) . Thanks for the other replies !!!

I have owned the Copper - Nickel set as a kid and I have it back now. The rest of the series is Great but for me it was the 59-64 " heavy metal " series that I enjoyed. And I won another 1862 penny in an auction that I had forgotten about ( smh ). My wife lost one today ( 1862 ) by 1 dollar ( thank goodness ). Moving on to Buffalo nickels or something less " volatile " .

The last time I bought this stuff was in the early 1980's , dumb 10 year old and a grouchy old man coin shop owner. He sold me a Red Book and explained his pricing and grading. He explained selling and buying in relation to the Red Book and that's how we conducted business ( and thinking back he was very good to me ). Neither of us ever imagined ebay or anything even close. I could ask to see something that he didn't have but he would usually have it the next week . I still use 50 percent of book value to purchase anything and expect a loss if selling until the book value changes.
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While we're on the subject of this mini-series, I'll raise you and add one more onto the end of the list to hunt for. This one may very well "contain gold" in OP's words!


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Really? Who sells at these prices now in the internet era, I need to look them up!
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Really? Who sells at these prices now in the internet era, I need to look them up!


This isn't true for everything , I recently purchased a proof 2012 dollar coin that was well above the PCGS guide. But in general its about right. 1861 Indian cent in 35 condition is listed at 80 dollars. I'm sure there are plenty available for 40-50 usually , at least thats what I found.
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That 1865 C-N above is the original 1943 copper cent.
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