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I take it that there is more than one example of this new extra V cent. If the position of this extraneous V is also invariant within this population, this might indicate that a second working hub was modified clandestinely. Machine Doubling and ejection impact doubling both produce extra elements in variable positions.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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If Machine Doubling or ejection impact doubling were responsible for these variably-positioned extra Vs, you'd expect the other designer's initials to be duplicated as well. The fact that they aren't suggests that some of these variably-positioned extra Vs are contact marks while others might have been intentionally added by folks seeking to make a quick buck. It takes little time or talent to tap in or scratch in two short, converging straight lines.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Quote:If Machine Doubling or ejection impact doubling were responsible for these variably-positioned extra Vs, you'd expect the other designer's initials to be duplicated as well. The fact that they aren't suggests that some of these variably-positioned extra Vs are contact marks while others might have been intentionally added by folks seeking to make a quick buck. It takes little time or talent to tap in or scratch in two short, converging straight lines. That certainly is...logical but so far just nothing definitive. Some thoughts as you continue to think about it: Are the 2023 p bessie coleman quarters for example having doubling in areas beyond the designer's initials which would fit into those being a form of ejection impact doubling or Machine Doubling as suggested and start to help differentiate whats going on? http://goccf.com/t/441035 I would imagine contact marks found like that would be found often then on other coins in different areas on the coin which might help to compare. Do you have knowledge of the new Schuler presses in use since apparently may even be differences in the different models being used in the feeding and ejecting components which might be something new and when they were installed (we saw ejection impact doubling in 2017 also on quarters) which the mint apparently uses the Schuler MRH 150 (horizontal) for quarters but not sure what is used for cents.
Edited by datadragon 06/15/2023 12:36 pm
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The doubled Bessie Coleman designer's initials are probably an example of incuse Machine Doubling. The spread is variable and is certainly within established limits of Machine Doubling. I have no knowledge of different models of Schuler presses that may or may not be employed by the Mint.
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Quote:The spread is variable and is certainly within established limits of Machine Doubling. @Mike Diamond - can you provide the "established limits of Machine Doubling."? Is that a measurement in MM?
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On the hammer die (which is the Bessie Coleman reverse die), there is no fixed limit, but I've never seen a lateral displacement greater than 2 millimeters.
Error coin writer and researcher.
Edited by mikediamond 06/15/2023 5:47 pm
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Edited by datadragon 06/16/2023 10:31 am
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@Datadragon - thanks for the Schuler info.
Edited by Pete2226 06/16/2023 10:03 am
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@ DATA, the tones forces are different from coin to coin. I will go to see all. For example on those reflex-vacuum presses they can go till 850 coins a minute for dimes and Cents. You has to go to see how impressive is. The MRH 150 can go till 150 tones (max) but the frequency will be lower. From the Schuler Corp. I know the mint will go for the 200 tones version. In this case all 62 presses in Phil will be able to strike at high frequency all the coins and also the Medals. Probably some of the 150 will be transfer to Military's facilities and to West Point.
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Is this error recognized by PCGS? I have seen some with NGC slabs but none so far with PCGS. I have one with an extra V which I am considering sending in to PCGS if recognized by them.
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Op here. I reached out to PCGS about the discovery and made a submission a few weeks ago. They requested all info about the discovery including a printout of this thread and my email exchanges with ANACS and NGC. Should have an answer soon.
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Keep me posted as to what PCGS tells you. Thanks for the response!
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Great post guys, I was out metal detecting and looked through a bunch and found a 2023 penny with the v. Good work
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@ComeHonor716 just curious, did you ever get a response from PCGS? I see that they still don't have the variety listed on their website so I assume they've chosen to not recognize it as of now.
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