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440-404 B.c. Ancient Attica Athens Silver Athena Owl Tetradrachm? Need Help Identifying Please

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440-404-B.c.-Ancient-Attica-Athens-Silver-Athena-Owl-Tetradrachm?-Need-Help-Identifying-Please

Won this (what appears to be an athena owl tetradrachme with bits of silver still visable) on Biddr a few months back simply out of curiosuty but it appears to be copper or bronze and I didnt think they minted these in none precious metals?
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In order to keep this going I'm going to post. I am very interested in what you have. I love history and I just started learning about ancient coins. Good luck I'm sure someone will come up with something for you there are some very knowledgeable people on here.
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.with bits of silver still visable


An important detail. If there are, as you say, bits of silver visible, then you own what is likely the base metal core of an ancient fouree (silver plated imitation). Similar to: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1818412

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I mostly agree with the idea that it is a contemporary silver plated fouree. There is very little silver to be seen in the OP's pics.
However, I cannot completely dismiss the idea that it may be a minor bronze denomination of a Greek colony.

Need weight and a picture of the edge.
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Welcome! If you have a magnifier and can see remnants of silver then it's likely a fouree with most of the silver gone or corroded over. Here's my new style Athens tetradrachm fouree, the edge shows the plating.

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Thanks for any and all tips guys. been collecting for about a year now and have a really good eye when it comes to unique ancients. hope these pictures help.
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It appears to be a genuine ancient bronze; of the denomination I know not.
Edge does not suggest casting, could have been struck from genuine dies for a silver tetradrachm.
Could be a fouree, weight suggest this, but there is very little evidence of silver remaining under Athena's eye, and on owl's wing.
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Thanks for the close up pics. If you live close to a coin store that has an XRF analyzer they could tell you what metal(s) the coin is made of, maybe traces of silver. IMO it's ancient. The Athens owl tetradrachms were imitated by others, like in Phoenicia. I'm not aware of these being issued officially in bronze. It's possible this is a mint error, bronze was used rather than silver. If an XRF showed even a trace of silver then I'd say it's a fouree.
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unfortunately, I live around nothing but refinery's down here on the chemical coast. No coin shops. What I can say is though the pictures aren't the best there is most defiantly 3 for 4 small bits of silver that remain. and I got it on Biddr so it's defiantly real. Though, nothing was listed in its description other than the weight and diameter. figured screw it. super cool in the hands though. I do have one more interested athena owl that I no next to nothing about. just for shits and giggles here it is..

Attica, Athens 224/3 - 198 B.C. Athena Owl AE20 Chalkous
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