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Another 1962D from the same roll. I can't figure out what is going on with the date on this one. I have never seen anything like this.The 9 has a thin layer of extra metal running from about 12 to 430. It looks like its folded over the 9. Also at 9 o'clock on the 9 there is extra metal on the inside ( a little chip perhaps?). The 1 also is fairly funky. It is wavy and there is an extra line of raised metal on the SE. The 6 also appears to have minor issues. Lincoln also appears to have a bag under his eye. Any ideas? Also where the chin meets the neck there appears to be remnants of a possible die clash that has been polished out? (Based this on pics I saw somewhere labeling this as such..I think lol) On the reverse there is a die crack on column 12. To the west of column 1 there is a half circle recessed area and column 1 is missing metal in this same area. Could this be remnants of a small clash? A lot going on on this coin. Any help would help my learning process and would be greatly appreciated.      |
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Looks pretty normal to me.  |
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small chip on the 9
Edited by Dearborn
03/10/2023 5:29 pm
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You don't see the extra metal from 12 to 430 on the 9? You're kiddin me. I know the pics aren't the best. It is no shadow or shine. It's a layer of extra metal.
It's not a debatable thing. It's there. unreal
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I do see the die chip on the right-most column on the memorial (reverse). If I had the coin in-hand and could look at it under magnification with different lighting, I might be able to weigh-in on the date feature. Given the static photos posted, I can't be sure what's going on. Perhaps a sharp photo of the date taken at an angle might show the relief better.
Edited by ijn1944
03/10/2023 4:43 pm
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Quote:
You don't see the extra metal from 12 to 430 on the 9? You're kiddin me. you didn't read my post right above yours? You're kiddin me. Edited by Dearborn
03/10/2023 5:30 pm
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Tiny and insignificant things like this have been on coins forever and do not bring any premium value. Dies get slight damage to them all the time and so make random die chips and marks in the coins. Back before microscopes became so inexpensive that few people put out the money to own one (250-300.00), this kind of stuff went unseen, unnoticed, and rightly so b/c it's just an example of common random, insignificant imperfections that have always been on coins.
The dies are subject to the laws of physics and get small damage to them that is "reflected" on the coins they make. Scratches, chips, gouges etc. on a micro level bring no collector interest or premium.
That is why to people who have been looking at coins for a very long time, this all just looks normal. To new eyes things like this make them wonder how they happen and so they are surprised to hear people call it normal. It is normal you are seeing this type of thing through the eyes of someone who has not spent many years looking closely at coins.
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Never thought of it that way Earle42. But you are right. Years ago all I had was a 10 power loupe. Today I have a Am Scope duel microscope. My eyes aren't what they use to be, so everything goes under the scope. It is amazing what a scope will bring out. But you do have to know what to look for, it saves a lot of time.
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That is one pretty 62. Excellent shape for it's age.
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The 196 seem to be suffering from die cracks and chips.
It looks like column 12 has a die crack along with the die chip. This coin looks like it was struck by older dies.
The upper left side of Column 1 seems to have an oval outline which might have a slight depression to it. If so, it might be a sign the die was getting ready to "flake" off (spall?). It might be the preliminary stages of a "hornet's nest" starting to form. A "hornet's nest" is simply a large die chip usually associated with a column or eave of the building. They can get rather large.
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Thank you all for your replies. NEWmrMatic 40 of the 50 coins in the roll look like this one. I have my late fathers rolls of every 1960's date where the coins look like this one. I have a question pertaining to Earle42's comments. When we go to sites such as VV CC and Wexler to look at DDO or DDR listings why are the pictures magnified significantly? And some of the descriptions use the word "light" in the description. When you look at the pictures of a "light spread" , it can be difficult to see what they are showing even with such large magnification. My pictures of the complete coin are taken at 1x on my phone and posted. I can see the die crack on column 12, the "oval outline" Petespockets55 described, the missing metal on column 1 I described with no visual aids. Sometimes I don't understand how comments can be so different on here in response to people's pictures of their coins. Not just on mine, but on many others. On this I got " looks normal" to Petespockets55 much appreciated detailed description ( and anticipated—which could be a fault of mine) of what he sees and what might be the reasons for such. I think that most of the "newbies" on here are anticipating a response such as Pete's to their post. We are trying to learn all we can using every means possible. So because of Pete's post, I will now research " hornets nest" and "spalling" to further my coin collecting knowledge. You also must remember you weren't born with the coin knowledge you possess. You taught yourself and/or were lucky enough to have someone try to share their knowledge with you. Thanx again all for taking the time to look at my coin and replying. |
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NEWmrMatic if you would like one or two of these 1962D coins, shoot me an email with your address and I will mail you a couple. Sadly there isn't one without any nicks or dings. Some are perfect on the reverse side but the obverse all have dings.
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I am far from an expert in numismatics, but I am well diverse in communication. All the responses to your post come from the love people have for numismatics and they are free. The information Earle42, Dearborn, Coinfrog and others comes from years of study, and the best response for them all is simply "Thank you so much for the information. But what do you think about ." This way we all learn and smile. I hope your search produces the answers you are looking for. Best of luck!!
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Wexler shows some listing that were at issue that year on his site on the 1962 dies http://www.doubleddie.com/307701.htmlProblems with "Doubled Working Hubs" Quote:
1962 1¢ Pr WWHO-001 Doubled Working Hub
Description: A spread towards the rim shows on the date.
1962 1¢ Pr WWHO-002 Doubled Working Hub
Description: A spread towards the rim shows on the date and TRUST.
1962 1¢ Pr WWHO-003 Doubled Working Hub
Description: A CW spread from a pivot at about 9:00 shows on the date and TRUST.
1962 1¢ WWHO-004 Doubled Working Hub
Description: Doubling shows on the inside of the 2 in the date.
(Underlines added by coop) Why is this important to know? The working hubs are used to create dies. So with 4 different ones identified, many dies can be affected. So some of these doubled hubs are the issue for these die to be affected. Not as many as a Doubled Master Die issue, but enough to make these coins worth little, as they would be common also. But the OP's may/may not be one of these coins. If it were, then it would match one of the 4 different WWHDO numbers. I have suspected this for some time now. And now it looks like it has been addressed on John Wexler's site. Rechecking with the images above, it doesn't look like this is one of these. Looks more like a coin contact issue. Why did I mention the above information? Because of this information, I just looked up this to see if John had found out more in this subject. When I noticed something new, I pass it on to the site, so we can consider this update of information. (as it was news to me of something I suspected and now we can see that update) This may have been updated for sometime, but it was new to me now. So I thought I would share it. CoopHome: Are there 1962 cents that look like doubled dies that are not doubled dies? Why Not? (New information to me, and it may be new to you also) updated information on Doubled Working Hubs (4 this year). this will reduce some listings of some examples on on this site and others when they update their files with this information. (sometimes this is not noted on some sites) Edited by coop
03/12/2023 12:35 pm
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Thanx for the info coop on the doubling. Appreciate that. This coin wasn't struck with anything on the date numbers 9 and 6. I did some research starting with spalling which led me to flaking and then to lamination. Was trying to find a picture that could show what my coin looks like since my picture taking skills are that of a novice at best. (no insult meant to novices). I am not savvy enough to add a link or know if I am even allowed to, so I will tell those that are interested where to find the picture I found that might explain this.I think what I have here is a lamination problem (maybe lol). Go to: Error-ref.com Lamination in clad coins. Part V planchet errors. Lamination errors. Lamination on clad coins. There they show a 2002P Indiana Statehood Quarter. What is seen on my nine is the folded over portion shown on the 2002P qtr. (though there is no hole that it came from). The part from 12 to 2 is folded over and appears as though I could get my fingernail under it and lift it off. The part from 2 to 4 is folded over as well, is not connected to the top fold and is super tight to the 9 and shinier for some reason and is not from a hit, but could see how one could think that based on my pics. This second part I wouldn't be able to get under and lift off. On the 6 about halfway down the left post and at the end of the 6 there appears as what could be a hits again, but it is where that same super thin piece of metal is missing in both places. Anyone have any ideas how something like this happens? Thanx again. |
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Posted 03/10/2023 3:43 pm
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
