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79/78 Bag Marks On Cheek Or Bearded Morgan?

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 Posted 03/14/2023  10:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tommysens to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello. I am new to the Morgan fun, I bough 3 Morgan's 14 years ago for the price of scrap metal.

I thought I won the lotto twice..but meh the 79 has a reverse 78 and on the face it has what looked like three sets of huge gashes turns out they are a bunch of the ends of the wings crashed into her face. The middle of her neck has an entire clashed G from the other side. There is so many major clashes the coin is a mess, unfortunately someone tried to rub down the chattery mess all over leaving crazy scratches in the field, so if you have bag scuffs view your coin from 11 o'clock across the field. (If this is a known VAM, sorry I get excited easy)
My 78 looks pitted to poop but the 87 she is nice. Once I figure out picture posting from an iPad I will throw up a few.
Does the clashed E on a 87 need everything to match up? because my die crack goes through the bottom of the date instead of the middle.

So what do you guys think? I thought the were coin bag damage and never really looked, The coin cost my silver price of like 12 bucks years ago.

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 Posted 03/14/2023  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To make a reasonable evaluation we need a full, sharp image (obverse and reverse) of the coin.
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 Posted 03/14/2023  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF! Full pics would help. Bearded Morgans are the result of die cracks/breaks with raised metal above the surface, your pic shows scratches, dents below the surface, post mint damage. If you are not aware of vamworld.com there's lots of photos there to compare and learn. Have fun.
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 Posted 03/14/2023  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tommysens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya I'm not sure if someone did something really weird but those are mostly bumps not dips. I was trying to figure out if someone tried to smash a 78 back on it and it's fake. Weight is bang on tho

I am trying to email myself pics so they are small enough to load but for some reason they are taking forever.. that one took over an hour, it's annoying.

I will send whole pics in a bit when they show.





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Here is link to Vamworld so you can look up varieties:

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...VAMs_by_Date

Most of the marks on the cheek, face sure look like dents to me. I don't think that's a clashed G on the neck, wrong size, wrong style, wrong location, just post mint damage that kinda looks like a letter coincidentally IMO. There may be some die cracks in the field.

Here's a couple overlays of where clashes usually are depending on the die rotation, note the location of the reverse G on Liberty's neck. Most letter transfers from clashing show up in the field of the coin close to front of neck or below by hair, not on the neck. In some cases part of the G can be in front of the neck.

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Hello and to the Forum, Could you Please get a better picture(s) of Anna's Neck under Her chin area, Facial Too, Thanks Very Blurry Quality Photos,
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That looks like a nice 79 S. But to determine VAMs very good clear close up pics are needed to see the small details Here's one of my clashed G by the neck, 1902 O, just for reference.


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 Posted 03/14/2023  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cboyera to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If that is an UNC 79s with a 78 reverse, which it appears to be, you have an amazing $12 find. That is a very rare variety and worth at least hundreds of dollars!
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How do you guys get such nice pictures I set the iPad over them on a couple of books but either it's too dark or so bright it's blinding the in between comes out flat. And that coin looks kinda messed up to be worth anything no?
I just posted it thinking it was fake. The crazy clashes and bumps are fun to look at I see why you guys like coins. My 87 from the same place and price looks like it's in way better shape. They were in a tin can in the army surplus by the till, looking back I shoulda bought em all


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I don't see any clashing in the photo, just dings, scratches bag marks or circulation. The prior pic looks like a short nock reverse. You could go to ebay sold listings, type in year and mint of your Morgans and get a general idea what they are selling for depending on condition and variety. Most varieties do not add much value unless it's rare or popular with collectors.

Some collectors buy a microscope camera for taking close up pics or a camera with a macro setting. I just have an older Cannon digital camera with macro setting. It can take close up pics of coins, jewelry, insects but not as good as new cameras. There's a forum topic here on CCF about coin photography.

There are several methods to determine if a coin is fake or not, magnet test, ping test, taking it to a coin dealer that has a XRF tester, etc. There's YouTube videos about it you can watch.
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