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1788 Massachusetts Copper Cent

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Pity the condition is so poor. The reverse clearly says "Massachusetts 1788". The obverse is almost gone, but I can make out "wealth" on the right, so it could be "Commonwealth".

Obvious question: does it have an value? Many thanks.
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Very interesting. Was this a metal detection find? Is this a half-cent of 1788, top photo.
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No, part of a large collection I inherited. As to the denomination, I have no idea.
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It appears to be the cent; the Half Cent has the word Half where Cent is on this coin. Hopefully someone can ID the variety since that seems to strongly affect the value, and whether or not it's a copy.
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Try variety 12-I...
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yes, this one is a Cent. one just like it (dated 1787) sold at auction in Aug 2022 for $240.00
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Thanks. I'll take some better pix and give it a try. Any clue as to the grade?
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to the CCF
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I just realized that it says "CENT" on the shield of the eagle. It's very hard to make out.
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here are a bunch of 12-I's that have sold at auction:
https://archive.stacksbowers.com/?q...b7d485f8a20f
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Thanks, that's really useful! What a pity mine has such excessive wear.
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I also thought 12-I, but there are 13-I and 17-I on Heritage and I don't know how to ID the obverse type. Here are the 12-I sold on Heritage https://coins.ha.com/c/search-resul...h-A-K-071316
I don't know how to grade these - somewhere in the G-VG range?
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Not my area of collecting anymore, but I don't recall seeing those horizontal ridges before. @khun, can you please carefully remove from the 2x2 and re-photograph. Maybe those are on the clear plastic window rather than the coin. I'm also interested in the odd strip of different color from the top to about 3 o'clock on the obverse. Finally, that would also let you get an accurate weight for us. Thx.
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@spence - sure thing, give me a day or two to do this and will report back.
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At first I thought those striations were one the coin but you can see them above the coin in the reverse image. Photograph the edge too when it's out of the holder and let's make sure there's no seam.
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All in all, as Massachusetts Coppers come, it's OK
For quick variety confirmation: the I reverse of 1788 has the only date configuration like that, and the 12 obverse has the feather-end of the arrow under the left stand of E. The 13 obv has it to the right, and the 17 to the left. Nice coin, and a planchet error too

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