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The Good The Bad And The Ugly, Roman Style

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While comparing the eagles on the reverses of the Caracalla and Elagabalus tetradrachms, I realised that I didn't have a decent coin of their namesake Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, emperor from 161 to 180 AD. As luck would have it, this one came along. Though the reference is RIC III 1133, it is unusual as the bust is not cuirassed.
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Marcus Aurelius Dupondius. Rome, Struck 174-175 AD.
Obverse: Radiate bust to right, slight drapery on far shoulder. Obverse Inscription: M ANTONINVS AVG TR P XXIX. Reverse: Annona standing to left, holding corn ears over modius at feet and cornucopiae; S-C across fields. Reverse Inscription: IMP VII COS III. Bronze. Diameter: 26 mm. Weight: 11.58 gr.
Reference: RIC III 1133 var. (bust type); BMCRE 1492 var. (bust type).
The obverse inscription translates as: Marcus Antoninus Augustus, Tribunicia Potestate Nona Vicesima. (Marcus [Aurelius] Antoninus Emperor (Augustus), holder of tribunician power for the 29th time.)

Examples:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9705350
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For comparison, a more usual cuirassed bust type from the British Museum is shown below.
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The original Marcus Aurelius Antoninus is remembered as a philosopher and the last of the rulers known as the Five Good Emperors. He was also the last emperor of the Pax Romana, an age of relative peace and stability that lasted from 27 BC till his death at the age of 58 of unknown causes on 17 March 180 AD. The following two emperors are not remembered so favourably.

Born on 4 April 188 to Emperor Septimius Severus and Empress Julia Domna, Lucius Septimius Bassianus was renamed Marcus Aurelius Antoninus at the age of seven as part of his father's attempt at union with the families of Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius. As a member of the Severan dynasty he was emperor from 198 to 217 AD. Known as Caracalla due to the type of cloak that he wore, his reign featured domestic instability and external invasions by the Germanic peoples. He is probably remembered mostly for the construction of the Baths of Caracalla, which became the second largest baths in Rome; for the introduction of a new Roman currency named the antoninianus, a sort of double denarius; for the massacres he ordered, both in Rome and elsewhere in the empire; and as a tyrant and cruel leader. Caracalla met his end while travelling to visit a temple near Carrhae on 8 April 217, being stabbed to death by a soldier, Justin Martialis, who was incensed by Caracalla's refusal to grant him the position of centurion.

Born to Sextus Varius Marcellus and Julia Soaemias Bassiana in (probably) 203 AD, (Sextus) Varius Avitus Bassianus, on being declared emperor on 16 May 218 by Publius Valerius Comazon, commander of the legion, adopted the same name Caracalla bore as emperor, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. Known as Elagabalus, his short reign was mired in sex scandals and religious controversy. Instating Elagabal as the chief deity of the Roman pantheon, so that a foreign god would be honored above Jupiter with Elagabalus himself as chief priest, shocked many Romans. He inflamed matters further by marrying the Vestal Virgin Aquilia Severa, Vesta's high priestess, claiming that this would produce "godlike children". It was a flagrant breach of Roman law, which held that any Vestal found to have engaged in sexual intercourse was to be buried alive. Furthermore Dio states that Elagabalus wanted to marry a charioteer named Hierocles and to declare him caesar, just as (Dio says) he had previously wanted to marry Gannys and name him caesar. The athlete Aurelius Zoticus is said by Dio to have been Elagabalus's lover and cubicularius (a non-administrative role), while the Augustan History says Zoticus was a husband to Elagabalus and held greater political influence. On the 11 or 12 March 222 Elagabalus was killed by the Praetorian Guard, decapitated, his naked body dragged through the streets and thrown into the Tiber.
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On the 11 or 12 March 222 Elagabalus was killed by the Praetorian Guard, decapitated, his naked body dragged through the streets and thrown into the Tiber.


*splash* ".....and stay out!"

beautiful coins Novicius. Thanks for showing.
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The Provincials are great, Jim, but the new Dupondius is outstanding - what a great portrait. Good write-up!
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That MA dupondius is great, killer portrait, have to search heard to see maybe a hind of wear on his ear. Looks Awesome! Enjoyed the write up also!
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*splash* ".....and stay out!"

Thanks, @ttkoo. It wasn't wise to upset the Praetorian Guard by all accounts!

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...the new Dupondius is outstanding - what a great portrait.

Thanks, Bob. While looking for similar coins where the bust was not cuirassed, I found a couple on ACSearch as in the links in the original post. The coin in the Bertolami Fine Arts sale (second link) appeared identical, and by superimposing my image over the Bertolami Fine Arts one it proved to be so. This coin is indeed the one that sold in 2017.

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That MA dupondius is great, killer portrait, have to search heard to see maybe a hind of wear on his ear.

Thanks for the comment, @chrsmat71. It is another case where the sale image didn't do the coin justice. The coin is finely detailed in hand, and attractively toned.
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Fantastic write-up, Jim...to go along with a reeeeally nice specimen of this fascinating emperor! Marvelous toning to compliment a very sharp portrait of the man. Both the obverse and reverse retain incredible details! Your coin gives me hope that I will soon find my own inspirational Aurelius. The search continues!
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Colourful characters they were, the ancient emperors. Good write-up, @Novicius. And a supernice dupondius!

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Thanks for the comments, @circusmax120 and @erafjel.

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Your coin gives me hope that I will soon find my own inspirational Aurelius.

You will, Mike, and with the wandering eye open who knows what else may turn up in the meantime.

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Colourful characters they were, the ancient emperors.

I agree 100%, @erafjel. We couldn't make up some of the things they got up to!
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I thought that an image of Marcus Aurelius and his wife Faustina Filia together may be of interest.
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I haven't added any information regarding Faustina, as there is a very informative thread dedicated to her by @lrbguy here: http://goccf.com/t/285085
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Faustina II (Filia, Junior or Minor). Wife of Marcus Aurelius. 147-176 AD. AR Denarius. Rome, 161-175 AD.
Obverse: Her draped bust right. Obverse inscription: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA. Reverse: Fecunditas standing right, holding scepter in right hand, infant in left. Reverse inscription: FECVN-DITAS. Silver. Diameter: 18-19 mm. Weight: 3.20 gr.
Reference: RIC 677; RSC 99; BMCRE 91; Sear 5252.
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With my recent acquisition of a very nice As of Marcus Aurelius, I am able to add the appropriate imperial pairing to this thread.
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They make quite the stunning power-couple!
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They make quite the stunning power-couple!

They do indeed, Mike.

It's nice to see the younger portrait to compare to his later one. Thanks for posting.
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Out of the fourteen to sixteen children that Marcus Aurelius and Faustina II had together, only six survived to adulthood - five females and one male - Commodus. Though they appeared to be a devoted couple, many writers of the day, said to be paid by the opposition, wrote scathing remarks about her.

Though there was never any evidence produced, this appears on the British Museum's page:
"Daughter of Antoninus Pius (q.v.) and Faustina I (q.v.). Marcus Aurelius married Faustina the Younger in AD 145, according to the wishes of Antoninus Pius. Faustina was reported to have been overcome with passion for a certain gladiator, and her son Commodus was said to be the product of this union and not her marriage with the emperor. At any rate, the empress was well-known for her passions, particularly for low-life sailors and gladiators. Marcus Aurelius never divorced her, however, out of respect for the wishes of his father. He considered that the empire was the dowry for which he married Faustina, and even promoted several of her known lovers."

Whether any of the stories were true or not, Commodus did appear to enjoy displaying his own physical prowess by fighting as a gladiator in the arena, or against wild animals during the many elaborate and extravagant public games he organized. As Dio writes; "He was also devoted to chariot racing." Ironically it was Narcissus, thought to be his wrestling partner, who murdered Commodus by holding him under the water in the bath in 192 AD.
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Commodus. Æ Dupondius. Rome mint, 184 AD.
Obverse: His radiate head right. Obverse legend: M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG PIVS. Reverse: Minerva advancing right, brandishing javelin and holding shield. Reverse legend: P M TR P VIII IMP VI COS IIII P P S-C. Bronze. Diameter: 23 mm, Weight: 7.93 gr.
Reference: RIC III 419.
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If the images of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus are truly representative, then apart from a different shape to the nose it looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree, and they were father and son.
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 Posted 11/20/2023  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Further to the above, I have just received this coin of Faustina II, which has a rather interesting reverse.

Not only does the coin have a pleasant portrait of Faustina, but the reverse sports a depiction of Venus and Mars. Some numismatists believe that Venus is representative of Faustina, and Mars representative of her favourite gladiator Narcissus. There are many statues of Venus and Mars together, but oddly enough this reverse type only exists for Faustina.
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Faustina II. As. Rome mint. 164-169 AD.
Obverse: Faustina's draped bust right. Obverse inscription: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA. Reverse: Venus with attributes of Faustina, nude above hips, standing facing right, grasping right arm of Mars, nude but for helmet, standing facing, head left, holding shield; on ground-line. Reverse inscription: VENERI [VICTRICI] S.C. Bronze. Diameter: 23mm. Weight: 9.93gr.
Reference: RIC 1680.
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That's a cool coin of Faustina and a very cool reverse! Interesting Novicus!
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 Posted 11/21/2023  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, @chrsmat71.
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