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1944 Not Mint Penny, L On Rim

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 Posted 05/02/2023  01:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add VelvetWind94 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys, couldnt believe.....got change back todayand found this 1944 no mint penny. Wow!! Was hoping for 1943 though lol. Anyway, L is bordering on the rim. Was this normal for 1944?
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 Posted 05/02/2023  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that is completely normal. I see a bunch of normal cents on ebay advertised as L on rim error, I have no idea where this idea came from.
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 Posted 05/02/2023  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very normal coin.



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 Posted 05/02/2023  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The L into the rim is a result of overused dies. Very common. The devices migrate toward the rim as dies are used.
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 Posted 05/02/2023  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice condition coin but just a normal L in Liberty.Be careful what you see on e-bay. When new collectors see a coin that looks a little different they think it is rare, so they name it something fancy and try to make money. Come here to this forum and ask questions people here will guide with expert opinions.
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 Posted 05/02/2023  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this occurred for several years, then it could be a master hub issue. All the examples of cents that year would all look the same.
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Master hub wear was progressive from year going back to the first Lincoln cents. Through the years some modifications were done to re-enhance the aging master hub. There were many examples of this through the years. But the master hub continued to swell outwards. The last year was the 1968 for the master hub. It was recreated in 1969 that ended the die swelling. (many years had taken it toll on the master hub. But the recreation peocess continued as the more of the master hubs were created during some decades. One clue is the large and small cents. These occurred as changes were to the master hub through the years. After 1983 It seems that new master hub was made more often. Eventually yearly) But as mentioned on the master hub on the 1944 year, was still an aging master hub that was swelling. As mentioned, the dies also age and they also move towards the rim direction. So I checked the 1944-D wheat cents to see if I can help us see these changes and even another factor. Die polishing. die polishing will reduce the height and width of the devices, when the dies surfaces are polished.
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Note on this area where the die wear is seen on the first image (MS-66). On the second image the die wear from die polishing altered the devices reducing the size of the dies MS-67. On the MS-68 images, they are LDS die state, but not a polished die on this coins examples. As you compare them you can see the die wear direction, the die polishing affects some devices more than others depending on their location and die wear. When the die was not polished the dies remained the normal size, but still showing die wear.
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We often see examples of on coin, but seeing multiple coins with different dies from the same year, we start to see patterns on how the dies age.
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Hope this helps a bit more. Digging deeper helps us see a little bit more on how the dies are affect during the aging process and polishing process. I always want to know why? I guess that is how you learn when you look deeper into a subject.


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I have seen a lot of coins like that listed as "sold" for a big price on ebay, for instance. That is a trick. Scam, Someone put these coins for sale and then buys them himself, or a couple of people working together. Making it look valuable, confusing, and fooling people, hoping someone gets on the hook the next time they put a similar item for sale.
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