1909-S Indian Cent . Authentic? Or Not?

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fox3903 New Member United States 4 Posts	Posted 05/29/2023 4:22 pm I can see several things that make me believe this is authentic, but a few that do not.... thoughts? Report this Post to the Staff

HGK3 Pillar of the Community United States 572 Posts	Posted 05/29/2023 5:01 pm My impression is that the coin is authentic, but the mint mark was added. The wood grain texture of the metal is difficult to fake, but that shadowy indentation all around the MM looks too much like a later addition from a hand held punch rather than from the original die. Edited by HGK3 05/29/2023 5:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5663 Posts	Posted 05/29/2023 6:16 pm I agree that it's an added mintmark. The size and color of the S are spot on, but the surrounding indentation is suspicious, and the S doesn't have the central thickness of a genuine mintmark (lower photo). Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 05/29/2023 6:24 pm The positon of the MM alone relative to the denticles below is enought to discredit this coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Ty2020b Pillar of the Community United States 4680 Posts	Posted 05/29/2023 8:43 pm Agreed, looks like a genuine 1909 Phili with an added mintmark. Looks like material was removed from the fields, leaving an S. While it appears "raised", the highest points of the S will be flush with the surface of the fields surrounding the engraved area. I wonder if whomever created this intentionally chose a woody. Does make it a bit more difficult to see the alteration at first glance to the unknowing. Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2003 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 06:00 am with the frog, mm should be centered above a denticle. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187702 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 09:39 am to the Community! Your post was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 09:42 am Indeed - to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 12:41 pm Very well done added mint mark and definitely could fool somebody. However the S is a bit too low, too vertical, and too small. The alignment with the denticles is almost spot on though. Somebody put a lot of work and skill into it. Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2003 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 2:51 pm @kbbpll, very nice side by side comparison. Thanks for sharing! Report this Post to the Staff
jacrispies Pillar of the Community United States 3848 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 3:38 pm Don't think that is original woodgrain. The surfaces are very rough, like it was hit with a wire brush with the bristles going horizontally. That is why the details look mushy. All this in attempt to make the added mintmark blend in. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955 Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187702 Posts	Posted 05/30/2023 4:40 pm Quote: @kbbpll, very nice side by side comparison. Thanks for sharing! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16677 Posts	Posted 06/20/2023 8:41 pm Looks like the mintmark was made using copper from the actual surface. Note the voids around the mm. [URL="https://ibb.co/0c79zLZ][/url] [URL="https://ibb.co/jyF4Kdx][/url] swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95018 Posts	Posted 06/22/2023 9:13 pm that 'S' looks inverted to me. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
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