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Ok so I gave this, based on PCGS listings a 62 RB What say the group LOL. Just kidding I'm prolly not even close but I gotta start somewhere. *** Edited by Staff to remove YELLING. All capital letters is the internet version of yelling. Please do not do it in titles or posts. ***  Also what does the hive mind think of the indent in the left of the obverse |
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Edited by Dutch-Tigger
06/18/2023 10:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Not even close to mint state. The diamonds are wore off the ribbon. Would like to see the reverse. I think the rim ding would details it. VF-35 Details.
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 your coin is definitely circulated. wear is apparent on the following high areas of the feathers cheek hair around the ear diamonds are almost gone also note you have a large rim hit at K7 that would details the coin VF/XF details ( PMD) without the reverse |
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At best EF details (rim damage) based on the obverse. to the CCF! |
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XF40 details, damaged
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Wow what a great community thank you all for responding. I'm just learning the details of the different grades thru the PCGS reference abd a book called coin collecting fir beginners lol I'd be at a VF32 now lol. sorry for the late response but as you can see I'm deep in my first sorting session of my long gathered hoard! Lol Ok so first to everyone who requested the reverse I thought the second pic was the reverse. I actually dropped that Penny back into the pile from my ungloved fingers right after o posted! Have not found it yet. But if it's any consolation I had this one in a capsule already I dipped it in soaked it acetone rinsed in distilled and a quick dip in a tone abd air dryer. What say you all? 2nd: @ John1 Thabk you for your help I wish I could find it so you could finish. My handle is Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter!!!  ! I could not resist.    |
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And I air dryed it
It was a cup holder coin and it was really gross I didn't rub it or scrub and gave up when I felt like I was risking damage
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to the CCF we are a pretty easy going group that can help teach you if you want. I agree with the others on the grading and I will hang this comment out with all sincerity. "You can NEVER, EVER, EVER, improve a copper coins originality through dipping, toning, or messing with it. (not withstanding that one super doctored 1793 Chain Cent I researched, that is a scary mystery and hopefully remains an anomaly)*. Once a natural original looking copper/bronze coin has been messed with an expert can likely tell and it should never pass through a TPG as a straight grade, and it should always be a details coin, though we know that they do slip through sometimes and graders, even the best sometimes screw up. This coin is a details alone for the bad rim hit, one of my personal (I can't get past this issue) on coins, I won't have in my own collections unless there is just no other affordable example, Rim Hits/dings are a death sentence for coins I collect, I can over look a light or even harsh cleaning, corrosion, graffiti, and scratches, just no rim dings for me, personally, we all have different limits however. A tip on darkened looking coins you may suspect have been cleaned, dipped or messed with, give them a sniff test, sulfur is used to darken a copper coin after dipping it and it should give off a tell-tale smell. *1793 Chain Cent - Saga of the Super Fake/Doctored S-1 example (for those that haven't seen it) I come in on page 3 of the thread. http://goccf.com/t/408671"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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@ westcoin
So please help me understand and thank you for the clarity on the damage.
I was under the impression that acetone was an acceptable means of removing organics and grease/oil from a coin while not being considered cleaned.
And the process was considered preservation or conservation prior to encapsulation. I'm I way off base with that and will an appraiser note it.
The second IHP I sent was covered in what looked to be tar but was just gunk and soaking pulled it all off so it could be rinsed did I make a bad call ?
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Good question, yes in my mind acetone is perfectly acceptable, I use it on 95% of every coin I purchase not in a slab. Mostly I buy copper coins, ( Two Cent Pieces and Conder Tokens) so often these series are found to have been stored previous to my purchase in old holders and have film of PVC residue on them. Acetone will remove the PVC but not change the color, at least it has never changed color on any coins I've treated this way in over 30 years of doing so. I recommend not ever using it in direct sunlight, as I've heard rumors that it can brighten copper that way, I use it outside in shade only, the fumes can be really nasty. If the coins I'm treating are circulated then I often will use a Q-Tip or cotton swab to help remove residue. I don't scrub the coin, just a gentle rolling action over the surface while submerged in the acetone, it's amazing how much green gunk ends up on a swab afterwards, even when there isn't really signs of it on the coins. I would call this conserving, I also use Verdi-Care to clean organic gunk and conserve the coins over time, never had any downsides to using it I can tell though I've only had it on coins for about a decade now, it's not all that old. I remembered I had taken a photo after working on a large amount of Two Cent Pieces that arrived after a buying spree of ebay, these were all pretty circulated coins, most in the VG to VF range some seriously gunky and I did maybe scrub a little on one or two of the really nasty coins, but not hard enough to damage them, using the swabs, and I took a photo of them afterwards I looked at the date on the photo it was back in 2013, and none of these coins have had any signs of showing they've been cleaned or changed colors. I considered it a good job of conserving them and preventing any surface corrosion from forming over the years. The old holder aftermath:  The Q-Tip swabs:  And finally a few threads from the past here on CCF you find helpful: Copper conservation the correct ways by an expert: http://goccf.com/t/404457What Verdi-Care can do for you (my example): http://goccf.com/t/378882How bad albums and holders can affect your coins: http://goccf.com/t/370336Acetone vs. Xylene - Which is better? http://goccf.com/t/398235&whichpage=2#3412791Help: Complete Instructions On Acetone Cleaning http://goccf.com/t/118035CarrsCoins (someone that really knows what they are doing in conservation): http://goccf.com/t/429618Another one of his amazing restoration jobs (long): http://goccf.com/t/435186"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
06/21/2023 8:52 pm
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@westcoin
Sorry for the delay but per usual life got in the way of hobbie lol. Just wanna say thanks for the input and taking the time with a noob it's greatly appreciated and not wasted! Finally have some free time so I'll be at it again sorting and cataloging but I picked up the blue book and a few other resources. As well as a WiFi microscope a nice sorting mat and more capsules. Again you have all been great thanks for the help
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Abhmlclnvmphnt - No worries, I know the plight all too well myself. Glad you are sticking around, and find us a good group here at the CCF. Remember the most important part of all this "Coin Collecting" is to have fun! If you aren't having fun then find something else to do instead. For a sorting mat? I use a jeweler tray basically a tray with a removable velvet pad on the bottom, you can use a hand towel and save money to start with. A USB or WiFi microscope is a neat addition, especially for us folks getting older and needing more and more help seeing little tiny things clearly. Projecting them onto a big screen is nice. For online pricing that is free a great example for the more common coins is NumisMedia FMV (Fair Market Value) just Google them for the main page if my link doesn't work. https://www.coinprices.org/"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Posted 06/19/2023 04:20 am
