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A (Bad) Replica Of An Old Spanish Coin? (Id: Replica "Reyes Catolicos" Spanish Reales)

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 Posted 06/22/2023  11:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SquareCircle to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have no doubt this is just a bad replica, rather than a real coin, but I'm wondering if any light can be shed on its origins.

This was given to me in 1971 or 1972 by a relative who was encouraging my interest in coins. It was in the same condition then as it is now. At first I naively thought it must be an old Spanish coin, as that's what the design looked like to me; and I was disappointed to realize that it wasn't anything real.

It's about 25mm in diameter, and slightly over 1mm in thickness. It doesn't stick to a magnet. The edge is more or less smooth, basically like a standard modern coin, but there are inconsistencies that make it seem badly or cheaply made.

I'm pretty sure the writing on it is basically gibberish.

Does anyone have any idea what the origins of this might be? I can't imagine what purpose this might have been made for, or when. I took it to a coin dealer once and he couldn't tell me anything about it that I didn't already know.

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 Posted 06/23/2023  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be similar to Castille & Leon 1469 to 1504 Ferdinand & Isabella.
If I'm wrong, the piece might be found if searching along those lines so the right coin might pop up.
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 Posted 06/23/2023  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have seen these crude brass replicas of "Reyes Catolicos" Spanish reales many times on the forum before. The blundering of the legend is quite distinctive. You can find just a few examples in these old threads:

http://goccf.com/t/17297
http://goccf.com/t/68902
http://goccf.com/t/83190
http://goccf.com/t/130379
http://goccf.com/t/235661

Though we've literally seen dozens of them here on this forum over the years, I don't think anyone's come up with a definitive origin story for them. Your account is the only one I've seen with a 50 year old acquisition date. However, their sheer common-ness across the United States - and nowhere else - must mean they were mass-produced and mass-distributed in the United States; I strongly suspect they were gimmicky giveaways made by Reader's Digest (or some similar mass-marketing company) back in the 1960s, for advertising a book on Columbus or something like that. They would have originally been glued to a card or some such.

Your account of a 1972 date is insightful, as in 1973, America passed a law requiring such mass-distributed replica coins to clearly bear the word "COPY" on them (which these replicas always lack); your account is definite proof they pre-date this requirement.
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Thank you! It's good to finally have at least some idea about it, and to know that other people have encountered (and been confused by) ones like it.

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in 1973, America passed a law requiring such mass-distributed replica coins to clearly bear the word "COPY" on them

I have other obvious replicas -- 2 of old Spanish silver coins (such as might be found in a shipwreck) and one of the famous 1776 "Continental Currency" coin -- that I'm pretty sure don't predate the 1973 requirement, but also don't have "COPY" on them. The former ones, at least, came packaged in little "ziplock" bags with notes explaining what they are.

The only replica I have with "COPY" on it is an imitation of a little 19th-century Mexican copper coin; I found this in a "Coinstar" machine.
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