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2020 P Lincoln Shield Cent With Crazy Abrasions!

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I've have seen a lot of Lincoln cents but never a shield that has been abraded like this one. Puts me in mind of some 80's Memorials I've seen. Have any of you seen this many die scratches on a shield?

I looked up 2020 P cents on Mad Die Clashes, thinking there would be a really good clash but none....

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THAT is some serious Die polishing! Like WOW!!

It appears like the abrasions are all level with the fields.
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Agree, just heavy die polishing.
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Die polishing of angry nature. Wow indeed.
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The dies must have clashed pretty bad. I wondered what the die clash looked like, before it was polished away.
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agreed, but not seeing any sign of a clash on the reverse. I wonder if it was so bad that they had to retire the reverse die.
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No Die polish happened after 2003. Only sometimes in the 2000 till 2003. Ones the die go out of parameters is replace.
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So what is your take on -makecents- coin?
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Thanks for checking this guy out, everybody!

I was already surprised with what was going on with this coin but am now very perplexed with Silvio's statement. I was not aware that they did not abrade/polish dies after 2003 but after scouring different sites and even coins, I cannot find any examples, I guess I had just never paid attention to this before....

So, Sil, to John1's question, what do you think?
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Found a couple of listed varieties with die scratches but they are very limited.

LINK http://varietyvista.com/01e%20LC%20...6PDDO001.htm

LINK https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=mds
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What the heck happened to the B in Liberty? If that die wasn't polished, then it endured some serious deterioration!
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Actually, on closer inspection, that is some serious push doubling, "die movement doubling", or maybe that class IX/VIII stuff. Look at the letters in Liberty, the N of In, the W of We. Or it could be DDD, it's hard to see the shape outlines around the letters at this level of zoom.

I don't know what would cause that, though. The direction of the ghosts on Liberty is different from the direction of In and We.
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I knew I read about the die polishing being almost non-existent on modern dies. It was another tread Siliosi replied to

Any chance this could be an improperly and lightly hubbed die?

Could those have been on the bar stock and then never removed during the hubbing?
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Petespockets55 I think bring a very logic explanation. Me I think also as the planchet scratch before striking. What is inconsistent we see different directions of those scratches.
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Actually, on closer inspection, that is some serious push doubling, "die movement doubling", or maybe that class IX/VIII stuff. Look at the letters in Liberty, the N of In, the W of We. Or it could be DDD, it's hard to see the shape outlines around the letters at this level of zoom.

I don't know what would cause that, though. The direction of the ghosts on Liberty is different from the direction of In and We.


Here ya go, Brandmeister. I think the lighting was lending to what you were seeing. There may be a little notching on LIBERTY but very minor, if any. I think polishing may be the majority of what is giving the devices a distorted look. The nexus of the N is a good place to look though.

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