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1884-CC Morgan 1$ For Grade And Comments

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 Posted 07/04/2023  02:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe John Feigenbaum made a mistake

I've never heard of an AU58 hard pack GSA Morgan.

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 Posted 07/04/2023  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I see your point, NumismaticsFTW; that's quite a discrepancy. Typically, when I go to the "Greysheets" link I find the grade I want to research and click on it. That brings up auction results going back years. Shows the "sold" price and many have pictures. I then go into the pictures and compare the coin I'm looking at with the slabbed coins of that grade sold at auction. I think the "sold" coins reflect the real market value. Out of curiosity I just went to the NGC site for pricing. They're high as well, but not as much as the Greysheets link.
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 Posted 07/04/2023  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Show me any GSA hard pack Morgans in Au.

They don't exist.
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 Posted 07/05/2023  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All Black Box GSA Morgans were indeed described as being Uncirculated. This is absolutely correct.

However, the GSA employees who were handling the affair were not professional numismatists.

The coins with obvious circulation ended up in the GSA soft packs.

The coins that were considered "flawed Uncirculated" ended up in black box holders with small insert cards. By modern grading standards, at least a few of these coins would probably be AU55-AU58 "sliders." These were coins that had "tarnish" (toning), "excessive marks", etc.

The coins that were considered "Uncirculated" ended up in Uncirculated black box holders with large insert cards. For the CC's, most of them were MS62-MS64 by modern standards, with PL and DMPL to be found as well.

In an odd situation related to how the bidding tiers worked, quite a few Uncirculated coins ended up in soft pack holders as well, some of which are listed in NumismaticsFTW's photo above.

Common-date GSA black box CC Morgans (1882, 1883, 1884) with original box and correct COA, in the MS63-MS64 range but not graded by a TPG, have been selling retail around $350-$375 for awhile now, perhaps a bit more for solid coins. Obviously, this doesn't apply to coins with pretty toning or PL surfaces. 6 or 7 years ago I bought 8 1883 CC and 1884 CC GSA's in OGP that were all around MS63, paid about $200-$225 per coin, so they have definitely gone up in value since then. I also bought an 1882 CC GSA OGP for $240. I kept the nicest 1884 and the 1882 and sold the others.

My professional opinion is that the price OP paid was fair and reasonable given the quality of the coin.
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 Posted 07/08/2023  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, when you guys are right, you're right and I'm the first to admit it. The coin arrived and it was indeed a dog. Obverse damage concealed by poor photos. Seller has agreed to a refund. Lesson learned.
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 Posted 07/08/2023  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lets see the in-hand photos to compare
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Pretty bad, especially that big hit in front of the ear. First three are seller's pics. Second three are mine in-hand. Odd how the reverse is fairly unscathed. Obverse die cracks are interesting, but I'm not a Morgan guy, so that may be common.
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 Posted 07/08/2023  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, It's all about the pics. And these are my bad pics. Same coin
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 Posted 07/08/2023  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah the grade being low unc was pretty obvious, not 63 or 64.

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 Posted 07/08/2023  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Frankly, I think I'll stay away from Morgans online since the pictures can be so deceptive. If I see one that lights the fire for me, though, I'll post it first for evaluation. Thanks.
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Your coin has two things going for it. It has a good strike and it has good luster. After that things are not too good but I still think it's a solid MS62 and a typical GSA CC Morgan.

Don't get too down about this one. I've bought worse. A lot worse. :(
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 Posted 07/09/2023  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually sent this one back. I think I'll hold off and maybe pay a bit more for a better coin in the future. I'm not a Morgan hunter, but the CC coins are appealing to me because of the history. I'm chalking this one up to my coin education!
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 Posted 07/09/2023  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this should be good example when purchasing by photo when they are not sharp, lit properly and not oriented. those photos were definitely presented to deceive. whomever the seller was I would scratch them off the buy from list

i cant get this one past MS61
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 Posted 07/16/2023  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Full purchase price refunded and valuable lesson learned. I appreciate the input from those of you with much more experience than I have. I came here to learn - I am, thanks to you all. This is a great site.
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