For Grading - 1890 Indian Head Cent

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HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 07/15/2023 2:06 pm I thought this coin looked good for a low grade example. My guess was in the Fine range. What do you guys think? Report this Post to the Staff

Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 07/15/2023 2:24 pm I'll say VG-08. Can't make out a single comlete letter in Liberty. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 07/15/2023 2:29 pm I'm in the VG-08 camp as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5672 Posts	Posted 07/15/2023 3:49 pm The obverse is certainly weak centrally, but the rest of the coin looks an easy F-12. Maybe a net VG-10? Report this Post to the Staff
smat45 Pillar of the Community United States 2340 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 07:17 am okay...you got me! Thought it might have been S-3 but can't quite make it out? I'm a little concerned with the reverse...right above the top arrow...looks like some kind of tooling? The reverse carries her... F-details tooling. smat Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 09:23 am Quote: okay...you got me! Thought it might have been S-3 but can't quite make it out? I'm a little concerned with the reverse...right above the top arrow...looks like some kind of tooling? The reverse carries her... F-details tooling. smat I don't think this coin is a S-3. The date on my copy looks a little low for a S-3, but I will give it a closer look later today when I get the time. I just bought this coin because I liked the look and it was only a few bucks. I will get a close-up photo above the arrow and post it. If it has been tooled I would like to know so I can note that, and learn. Thanks! I will post a photo this afternoon sometime. Report this Post to the Staff
panzaldi Bedrock of the Community United States 18673 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 09:47 am i see a different coin than the others. dont look at the obv. just look at the reverse. what grade would you give the coin just based on the reverse using just the reverse I have the coin at XF40 maybe even 45, the obv is the issue here, looking at the lettering and date says XF also. even the cheek has some roundness remaining. I'm calling a seriously weak obv strike. I've always been under the impression that strike is a component of grading. I have a hard time understanding why in some cases, lets say a 22P LWC its graded one way but not considered in other coins. shouldn't the grade be based on how the coin left the mint? this is not something that happened in circulation. i have no idea how a TPG would interpret this. i'd like to know. personally I would deduct for the strike if other markers are indicating that it is indeed strike and not wear but to the point where the coin would drop 3 full grades doesn't make sense to me. just my opinion i might call it VF details (tooled). good catch smat45 Edited by panzaldi 07/16/2023 3:28 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 10:48 am I had a break in my busy day, so I decided to go ahead and get these photos taken. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 10:49 am I see what you're talking about with the apparent tooling above the top arrow, but it defies logic as to why anyone would take the trouble to retool just this area on a coin with no real collector value (apologies, Humble, but calling it like I see it). And for the record, I see the reverse at a tad above VF20. Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 11:29 am Quote: I see what you're talking about with the apparent tooling above the top arrow, but it defies logic as to why anyone would take the trouble to retool just this area on a coin with no real collector value This may have been a low grade "test piece" to see what they could do. I would say they did a good job, it looks like my walkway lawn after a good edging. Quote: (apologies, Humble, but calling it like I see it). No apology needed, I would agree 100%. Report this Post to the Staff
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