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1957 Lincoln Cent Possible Double On The D Of God?

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1957-Lincoln-Cent-Possible-Double-On-The-D-Of-God?

When I see this on a mintmark it's usually a RPM, so I was curious?
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Doubled dies do not work that way. An RPM is an individual device applied to the die, this allows it to be separate from the rest of the die, as far as a variety, at least before 1990. A doubled die will show doubling in more than one area, depending on the type of doubling, not typically in just one single device. There is some centrally located doubling that occurs in this way but on the perimeter of the coin, this does not happen. I cannot tell for sure from the pic if it is die damage or damage to the coin but it is not a doubled die.

LINK https://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/
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That BER reminds me of this a little:

https://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln...ie_state=mds
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Brandmeister, you've been trying very hard and that's good but that's a proof DDO and the OP's is a business strike. There is no doubled die here. Keep at it though, you are doing well.
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I agree with -makecents-. It's not a DDO. Maybe a hit on the D of GOD.
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Positive case: Both also have a blob inside the left arm of W. A little curve to the bottom of wE. Some blobiness to the top of S in Trust. Those curved tops to G and O to the NE (although that could very well be glare). Also a little something on the left edge and outer belly of 5.

Negative case: no full elf shoe wE, no horns on B,E,R. Those interior edges and outside right edges could be MD. Possibly also MD on the tips of IN. 5 could also be a little push doubling.
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Positive case: Both also have a blob inside the left arm of W. A little curve to the bottom of wE. Some blobiness to the top of S in Trust. Those curved tops to G and O to the NE (although that could very well be glare). Also a little something on the left edge and outer belly of 5.

Negative case: no full elf shoe wE, no horns on B,E,R. Those interior edges and outside right edges could be MD. Possibly also MD on the tips of IN. 5 could also be a little push doubling.
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Brandmeister, you've been trying very hard and that's good but that's a proof DDO and the OP's is a business strike. There is no doubled die here. Keep at it though, you are doing well.

Ok, then there's the knowledge I can extract from this particular coin. How can you tell it's a business strike vs. a circulated proof at this age of coin? It's 66 years old, so what's the clue?

Worth pointing out: I was typing and searching as you reached your conclusion. Just so you don't think I was ignoring you.
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MS 67+ business strike. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...7-1c-rd/2842


PR67 DCAM Proof. https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...c-dcam/93380

The minting process is totally different with special dies for proofs and a double striking process for them also. If you cannot see the difference, I cannot help you.
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Well sure, those are top grade coins. I'm talking about impaired proofs that have been circulated. I've found proof nickels while CRH. Obvious because they were newer, but if they had seen use over their lifetimes, and didn't have the S mint mark, I don't know that I could pick them out so easily. From the following older thread, I gather that you can pick out an impaired proof cent by the squared rim and the fields.

http://goccf.com/t/428020
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Worth pointing out: I was typing and searching as you reached your conclusion. Just so you don't think I was ignoring you.
I was having a toddy and then putting my wife to bed and still explained it.

Keep studying.
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You're being silly, keep studying, you need more time. There are MANY things that intelligence does not take care of, some things just take time, experience.
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I gotta be honest, I'm staring at the post with the side-by-side clean proof, MS uncirculated, impaired proof. If he hadn't spelled out which one was which, and then pulled the good proof, I don't know that I could immediately distinguish the remaining two coins.

http://goccf.com/t/333750
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Brand, I wish I could help you, but it is apparent that I cannot. I wish you the best.
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gros, I hope you got something out of the earlier part of this thread and I apologize for the latter part.
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