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1947 Wheat Penny. Possible Large Error On Reverse.

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This 1947bwheat penny turned up. In my pocket change yesterday. It has a rather large void on the reverse, unlike anything I've ever seen. If always that the letters of the word "states" is drawn into it, causing me to believe this is something that could have happened at the mint. Please let me know what you think.
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That is a lamination issue. Nice find! to the forum!

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Yes, prominent lamination issue. Cool.
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Agreed - it is a lamination. Did not necessarily occur at the mint but is an error nonetheless.

Nice find.
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Nice find for sure.



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Great find!
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Any chance it is a struck through? Why or why not please.
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Very cool .. if it was a lamination issue there wouldn't be the lettering inside the indent would there?
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I'm encouraged to hear so many people identified as a lamination issue. I must admit however I side with the last couple comments I too thought it was a strike through originally, especially as the last person commented because it seems like the lettering is present in the wound. Either way I'm pretty convinced that it is an error coin and I'm going to see if I can figure out what it might be worth and consider getting a graded. Thank you and I would also welcome any opinions on it's value.
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EricH has a point. If it's a struck-through or a lamination problem, then why are the surface letters smeared into the hole? A strike through that deep would be an object between the planchet and the die face. No lettering in the hole. A lamination problem would flake off a chunk of metal. Again, no lettering in the hole.

To me there seems to be an undulating structure to the trough. It is also tapered at the ends. Maybe an image looking down the trough from one end might shed some light. My guess is that you could find a dime, quarter, half dollar with a thickness that is the same height as the trough, and the reed pattern will match the wavy surface.
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Any chance it is a struck through? Why or why not please.
You have me staring at it now and questioning my first thought.

I wonder if it could be both? You can have a loss of lam before the strike. What if part of what we see is some of the pre-strike loose lam mashed back into the void?

Not sure. You have me scratching my head now....

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My original thought was that a die chip or piece of another coin found it's way either on to the planchet or onto the dye from somewhere else. That would give it the characteristics you noted and still be a die error! Everybody's happy!
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So for those still following, this is a picture taken at about 25° angle. I had to do a composite image because the microscope wouldn't focus on the entire defect at one time. That is a series of I believe five shots that I stitched together so you can see the entire defect. In my opinion, based on the shallowness of the defect that it may in fact be a lamination issue. I don't see the characteristics that would lead me to believe that it was a strike through by a die or another coin piece
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Yeah, that looks much shallower than I thought. Definitely shallow enough for the die strike to push up metal into those leaky letters. Seems like the lamination theory is the right one.
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