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All of the ones minted have been accounted for. If you didn't know the director of the mint in 64, you have no chance of having one. She took possession of them and there are no SMS coins in circulation or in any collection that didn't get them from her. Guys, first, obtaining material wealth should never be our purpose for existing. You'll never see a UHaul driving behind a hearse. If a piece of metal ever comes before my relationship with God I'll grind it up, throw it in a cocktail and drink it up!- Abraham style. That being said I'd like to extract what the experts say and add in some of my own conjecture. These are called a "mystery" for a reason, as their origin is based mostly in speculation. I understand the calls to doubt however, as I've also read through the numerous posters claiming to have one.. But it's important to be accurate. The only thing we know is that a few sets were discovered 30 years after their supposed creation in a stacks bowers auction from Lester Merkins. Furthermore, the auction took place 2 years after Merkins purchased much of Eva Adams' estate, so the idea that they came directly from Adams is just a calculated guess. But even if it were true (which it likely is)... Experts agree that anywhere from 24 to 50 sets were created, potentially. This brings up two key points: 1) only a small number of the estimated total sets were discovered in Eva's safe. Therefore... 2) the experts must assume that others went elsewhere during that 30 year timeframe between creation and discovery, which I think is a totally reasonable calculation. When it comes to 'why' they were created, 'how' they were created, 'who' they were created for, and for 'what' purpose, is still unknown. The sky's the limit in terms of conspiracy theories, but one thing we shouldn't do is make absolute claims based on guesswork from a severe lack of vital information. |
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Here's something I also noticed about the physical properties of the coins found: They seem to all have what looks like remnants of prior toning, or something that disturbed original patina, and certainly doesn't look like they were minted, put into "ordinary plastic snap-cases" then immediately into the Mint Director's personal safe (which would obviously be the safest place for a coin to be). It looks like a great deal of them were kept inside something else, and then conserved. Just my opinion. I think there's a lot more not being said by those who discovered them... but I digress. Quote:
So you think it's the 1964 sms? Who knows. The reason I put them aside wasn't because of nice toning, as I have way nicer toners than these (except for maybe the dime). It was because I've never seen a finish like this before, so much so that I instinctively separated them as "special" in my mind. Finding out about the die markers later just adds confluence. So here's my logic: If a grading company is willing to establish something as authentic based on the coin's physical properties alone (in which they have done), then on what authority can they say something "isn't" one if it indeed shares the same physical properties? Especially true if they find a complete set of them. |
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Really do like that toning!
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Thanks!  |
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As said before, if you think they are SMS coins send them in. If they come back as SMS coins from a top 3 grader, I'll double your grading costs.
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As said before, if you think they are SMS coins send them in. If they come back as SMS coins from a top 3 grader, I'll double your grading costs. Excuse me, son. How about showing a little humility after giving out false information and misleading everyone. You said nothing about grading and were just the "bearer of bad news", remember? Facts and theory are twisted all over the place, so fate may have it I get a grader like you who doesn't know what they're talking about. I'd like to hear from people with a face I can see, someone with experience handling them. It's just that kind of thing. Heck, I'll even send it to that person trusting their integrity. We need more of that in society today. Edited by Stephen-P
07/11/2023 10:09 pm
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but, there is no way these are 64SMS coins. All of the ones minted have been accounted for. If you didn't know the director of the mint in 64, you have no chance of having one. She took possession of them and there are no SMS coins in circulation or in any collection that didn't get them from her.  |
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You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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No false info from me, just the truth SON.
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...is it getting warm in here?
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...is it getting warm in here?  It's gonna get a lot warmer. Apparently this is a topic worth discussing. --------------------- To the claim that all have been accounted for, and that a personal relationship with Eva Adams is required: Quote:
"The most likely explanation so far offered as to their origin is that the coins were *probably* produced for Director Adams" Quote:
"...a total of 9 sets made their way into the market that way. Today, about a dozen Specimen 1964 half dollars are known.." (9 of the 12 known Kennedy halves came from Merkin's collection. This is the only evidence tying Eva Adams into the theory of where *some* of them may have come from.) --------------------- To the theory that there may be business strikes out there: Quote:
From Legend Rare Coin Auctions 9/2/2021
"The obverse details include a small tine off the crossbar of the 4, a feature that has never been observed on any other 1964 half dollar, Mint State or Proof, showing that these dies were used for this small production and *that is it*." Quote:
Stacks Bowers Ratities Night 2019
"These dies appear to have been specially produced just for these coins and *used nowhere else*. Only one confirmed 1964 SMS half dollar lacks the "Dangling 4" marker." Quote:"The 1964 SMS Kennedy half dollar die markers *readily confirm* the identity of known examples" --------------------- To some claims that you can't find them in circulation: Quote:
"In an admittedly rare hypothetical situation where one of these remarkable coins was spent, the defect can be used to confirm the original status of the coin."
-Ron Guth --------------------- To the claim that all have been accounted for (cont.): Quote:
"more are believed to be out there".
-Jaime Hernandez, 2008 Quote:
"More rumors than facts surround this issuance" etc. etc. |
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There is so much more I could allude to, all from credible sources and researchers. Maybe I overlooked something, but I could not find a single authoritative source making a claim as bold as yours was in this thread, Cujohn. Could you do us a favor and tell us where you got it from?
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07/13/2023 2:41 pm
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As I stated there has never been one found in circulation.
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Well, not quite what you stated. Just want to know your source for these particular claims: Quote:
All of the ones minted have been accounted for. If you didn't know the director of the mint in 64, you have no chance of having one. She took possession of them and there are no SMS coins in circulation or in any collection that didn't get them from her. |
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I'm confused I don't understand what this post wants me to see
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