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1877-S Trade Dollar - AU Coin - OBV Cleaned?

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Very light obverse scratches noted and also mentioned by seller. Not cheap, but what a beauty in my eyes.
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1877-S-Trade-Dollar---AU-Coin---OBV-Cleaned?
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 Posted 07/11/2023  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the color
Looks reverse graffiti
I think a TPG would say that A looking mark was intentional.
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To me it looks like the cross-stroke of the "A" is older than the rest. As to cause, perhaps we're looking at 2x2 staple damage?
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AU Details - Graffiti
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I can see why you all think that it's graffiti, but I think the scratches are not the same age and unfortunately just resemble an "A." They are different in character as well, the horizontal one being straight and deeper than the crude looped shape that makes it look like the letter "A." Note the slightly scratched area at the bottom of the left leg of the "A" - I think it's just a random scratch. Here are two other pictures - still think it's intentional? Not buying the coin, but I still like it.
1877-S-Trade-Dollar---AU-Coin---OBV-Cleaned?
1877-S-Trade-Dollar---AU-Coin---OBV-Cleaned?
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 Posted 07/11/2023  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-details (graffiti) for me as well.
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Left obverse field appears lightened. Agree with graffiti on reverse. Details coin.
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tough call on the scratch/graffiti if you look very close to this mark you will see the horizontal scratch crosses over the looped scratch. I would expect that the looped scratch would be equally as deep as the horizontal one if it was graffiti. it does not appear that way.

the confusion here is that the loop scratch looks newer as we are not seeing any toning inside the scratch. tough call as we have conflicting details here. I'm not convinced its graffiti however the loop scratch may be from a more current staple so I cant call it one way or the other. other than that I dont think the coin was cleaned.

P.S. nice photos
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Pass - common date find one with no issues. Would not buy unless at AU details price range.
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He wants $440 for it. Too much for me, but he might deal a bit. I went on several auction sites and was interested to see that about 3/4 of the slabbed coins were details/cleaned.
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My 73 has a few reverse scratches that look similar to a F but no way was it intentional however NGC said graffiti
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I can see why you all think that it's graffiti, but I think the scratches are not the same age and unfortunately just resemble an "A." They are different in character as well, the horizontal one being straight and deeper than the crude looped shape that makes it look like the letter "A." Note the slightly scratched area at the bottom of the left leg of the "A" - I think it's just a random scratch. Here are two other pictures - still think it's intentional? Not buying the coin, but I still like it.

As I had suspected - the cross-stroke of the "A" is just a regular scratch, and much older - and I suspect the curving sides of the "A" are damage caused by a non-flattened staple in a neighbouring 2x2 this coin was once stored with (I have seen such damage all too often).

No, I'd agree it's not actual graffiti - but the TPGs will still call it "graffiti" because they don't have a separate code for "some poor fool ruined this coin by being careless with their staples".
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I'd agree it's not actual graffiti - but the TPGs will still call it "graffiti"


i think they would call it PMD not graffiti. I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot but it sounds better imo since graffiti would be deemed intentional
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As is the case with so many coins - nice coin, what a shame somebody screwed it up. Thanks for the comments.
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Looks like someone made a mark in the world.

Nice looking coin nevertheless.
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