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Counterfeit 1876-S And 1804 Dollars

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 Posted 07/20/2023  2:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add silog to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I posted on this forum years ago, but I've since sold off most of my collection. My father-in-law recently lent me two coins he likes to talk about. He's had them for decades. I immediately thought they were both counterfeit. Although I'm not familiar with the finer details of these coins, both are non-magnetic. I was surprised at the general quality of the 1876S; I can't see any bubbles, it's 38.1 mm, the denticles look good (the photo shows a bit of dirt in some areas of the denticles and lettering, and the bottom of the "8" on 1804 looks fine to me but not in the photo). The 1876S looks washed out a bit, but the big giveaway is the weight of 24.75 grams (more than 2 g light), and the coin is clearly not 90% silver -- in either appearance or when compared to the ping of a real 90% coin. Somewhat more surprising, to me, is the 1804 "dollar" coin, which is all wrong: it's also 38.1 mm, is only 20.65 grams (way too light), and is obviously copper. Not to mention that they intentionally made it looked heavily worn. It begs the question of why bother, and who would be fooled by something so off the mark -- but my father-in-law got it somehow.... Anyway, just posting for your entertainment value.
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Nice examples of fakes, silog, and welcome back to the Forum!
I also have an 1804 "dollar", picked up at a flea market for $3. Because why not? In hand, you can see where the silvery plating has worn away to expose the copper underneath.
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nice examples of fakes, these are a huge help when buying these coins. (something I'll be doing at some point for my type set.)
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Dearborn, I could just about fill a 7070 with fakes
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One lingering question I have about the 1804: why copper? I mean, what were the counterfeiters trying to do there? ISTM that even very casual collectors (or even non-collectors) would know that dollars were silver. To me, it just looks and feels like a large cent.
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Seen on Craig's List in my home town:

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Maybe the clowns paying $3300 for a privy mark Flowing Hair would be interested. . .
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who would be fooled by something so off the mark
For one, your father-in-law. Just saying.
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