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Tax Loopholes For Coin Collectors?

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 Posted 07/27/2023  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MajorPatW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic information folks. Thanks!!
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 Posted 07/27/2023  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One interesting thing I learned recently regarding collectibles applies mostly to fine art. Apparently if you display an artwork in your home, you're not an "investor", it's for personal use, and thus a loss cannot be deducted. You'd have to have that Monet in storage instead. I suppose this pertains to coins if you have your 1894-S dime proudly illuminated on a wall in your foyer.
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 Posted 07/30/2023  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I suppose this pertains to coins if you have your 1894-S dime proudly illuminated on a wall in your foyer.
Who would be so bold?
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 Posted 08/01/2023  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, this is probably blindingly obvious, but does that 28% capital gains tax get applied to the total amount of the sale or just the difference between what you originally paid for it and what you sell it for? If the latter, I assume that means it's critically important to keep good records of your purchases and that if you sell for a loss you wouldn't own any taxes, right?

My big problem is with bullion. Although I do have records of what I paid for various things, since so much of it is fungible it's hard to know, say, exactly which silver bar I paid $12 an ounce for and which one I paid $20 an ounce for. Or, worse yet, with the hundreds of junk silver coins I have accumulated over the years.
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 Posted 08/01/2023  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Capital gains is exactly that. Gains. It is the difference between what you bought and sold. If you bought a some bullion at $100 and later sold it for $150, you owe tax on $50. So yes, I would say that record keeping is very important.
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 Posted 08/25/2023  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the link Branmeister provided above (underline is by me):
"... The collector is considered an ultimate consumer and therefore has to pay sales tax on all purchases, unless they are shipped from an out-of state auction house or other vendor...."

In Florida, coins should not have sales tax collected. The state considers it money and money is not subject to sales tax.
I have been told this by several auction houses, one of which conducts the state of Florida unclaimed property auction each year.

(I believe ebay and other venues erroneously collect sales tax on coins as a precaution. IMHO, it probably won't be resolved until there is a class action lawsuit.)
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I believe that comment by Heritage was just a general statement illustrating the difference between collectors and dealers—pertaining to everything they sell, including antiques, fine art, jewelry, etc. Sales tax is charged based on the laws of the buyer's state, and many states exempt coins from sales tax. I know Heritage is very good about not charging sales tax on coins when it is not required.
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