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1999 P Jefferson Nickel RPM P Over P Mint Mark

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okay I hope to be the first discovery of a 1999P rpm that's not listed.
1999-P-Jefferson-Nickel-RPM-P-Over-P-Mint-Mark

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 Posted 07/29/2023  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This must be a new one. Never see this.

Could Tan can pronounce on this?
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 Posted 07/29/2023  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it certainly looks like an RPM, but it's not because mint marks were not punched into 1999 dies

so, instead it is Machine Doubling and/or Die Deterioration Doubling
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 Posted 07/29/2023  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Nick:

In 1999 the MM was part of the Hub. But the Hub took the MM mechanically separate of the rest. Also another vision it is to be DD post http://goccf.com/t/447900 look at Bandmeister remarks.

If was MD, easy to say or DDD the digits near as per example 9 will have to be affected. Is no way to have MD at this level just the MM or also DDD.
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if hubbing is resposible, that argues for "RHM" a re-hubbed mintmark
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 Posted 07/29/2023  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you on RHM, but how many know about and go out from theirs own Boll.
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never heard of a "re-hubbed mintmark" and nothing comes up at all in any google searches.

Care to explain what this is?
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never heard of a "re-hubbed mintmark" and nothing comes up at all in any google searches.

Care to explain what this is?


Yes what Nick say in fact could be translate as Re-Punch Hub Mint Mark.

In fact is same as the RPM's. The difference it is one was perform on Dies and this case was perform on Working Hub.
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Then there should be more than one. Hard to believe after 24 years no one has found one
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1999 had no mint mark punch, so RPM is a misnomer, but siviosi is arguing for RHM, i.e. re-hubbing rather than MD or DDD
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@ Nick, Yes, in fact I do not argue then to explain. Many of this period was say been MD, DDD on the MM. Then is come out that will be considerate DD's. I gone further and find out that is come from the Hub. It is simple than that. Is physically no way have such MD just on MM or DDD. Do not forgot in 1999 was the last year of the Vertical presses.

In 1999 the MM was punch on Hub and was the last year before the CNC took the work.
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Some combination of Die Deterioration Doubling and MD. Not an RPM or doubled die.
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In the US, mint mark punching refers to the process by which a physical mint mark punch is struck (punched) by hand. Thar was not the way US mint marks were applied in 1999. That process, the one by which RPMs were sometimes made, had ended several years earlier. The 1999 hubbing process did not include a mint mark being punched by hand. If it did, we would see mint mark locations vary from coin to coin like they did decades before 1999.
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 Posted 07/29/2023  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Nick, you open two topics. After 1989 the MM was punch mechanically and not by hand. I have maybe one of last saw RPM from 1989 but in Quarter.
How worked?: the hub was align and then the press punch the MM. And this procedures was applied as is need.

I give away all my Nickels to analyze better and see the orientation. Maybe Bandmaster have some samples to see the original orientation.

Me I analyze each coin by the year of production. I am from the old balloon of varieties, but the technology change, so I has to go out from that balloon..

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Errers and Varietys.
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Someone or somebody who say MD or DDD can show me an example of what him/ her say? Go ahead guys show me. Show as big as this an only one digit or letter. Good Luck to find.
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